Yes, if the robot doesn't touch/disturb the non-penalty Black Bars, then they ought to be in their original setup position, and they are worth +8 points each at the end of the match. So are the Penalty object Black Bars, if the referee still has them. There are 12 Black Bars that are part of the Field Setup (4 in the building, 4 with the Referee, 2 in the Sorter's red hopper, 2 in the Large Package.) Each of them will be counted during scoring. If you don't cause any of them to move, then they are worth +96 total. If all four penalties are assessed, and you dump the rest in a pile in Base, then they are probably worth -96 points total. M04 tells you what point value each has based on where it is at the end of the match. Steve Scherr Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Bernie Goltermann < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Regarding " black pieces (non-penalty pieces) still counted (against you) > if they're in safety/base? Or is getting them to the landfill the only way > to keep them from negatively impacting your score?" > > I also see that it states under M04 – Sorting, Black bars are (bars score > independently)... – Value 8 Per Bar part of a scoring Flower Box, or in > their original Setup position. "or in their original Setup position." > seems to say if you don't touch the non-penalty black pieces, they don't > count against you but for you. Is this right? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:14 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] Junk and Penalties > > A Black Bar that ends up in Safety/Base may still be counted as negative > points during scoring. It will be counted for negative points unless it > meets one of the requirements of M04 Sorting that say that it will be > scored as positive points. > > Steve Scherr > Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor > > P.S. Two of the four ways to have Black Bars scored for positive points > won't be happening if they are in Safety.... > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.