This is so well said, I think I might forward it to all my team members and their families. I keep talking about the endpoint being to have a good time and to learn something you didn't know before. We will always have "rookie teams" bc the robot was bought by our school's PTA and in an effort to include as many students as possible (and not have a repeat team) we can't really have that continuity required to get "very good" in any one area. That said, it's hard to perfect a team or have them learn from mistakes, etc, so we (my husband and I) as coaches are really in it for the fun and the love of it, and not to win any awards. Of course, it would be nice but we are not devoting all of this time every week for that as a goal. While I am absolutely certain the kids feel the same way because they are having a blast, I'm not always certain the parents of the kids feel the same way. It's unfortunate but unless you become involved you truly don't have an understanding of what a great, rewarding experience this could be, for the kids AND the coaches! -Penny (team 2237) > On Oct 2, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Brittany Rose <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Well said, Steve! > >> On Oct 2, 2015, at 4:50 PM, VA-DC Referee Advisor wrote: >> >> There have been a lot of helpful and informative replies to these questions, and I just wanted to supplement those with some Core Values observations. >> >> FLL creates an annual Challenge as a way to spur interest and excitement in teams about robotics, solving problems, and applying technology to achieve goals. Teams only get a limited time to work on the Challenge in a competitive way, and that focuses interest, and introduces some real-world engineering constraints. (This is the way that all FIRST sponsored robotics programs work.) >> >> As it says in the Coaches' Handbook, teams learn that friendly competition and mutual gain are not separate goals. The Core Values include: >> We learn together. >> What we discover is more important that what we win. >> We have FUN! >> >> It is true that FLL tournaments have a competitive element--that adds some spice to the mix. But what I'm looking for as a referee or judge is that teams are competing with their own personal bests--to do the best that they ever have with this Challenge. Our goal in putting on tournaments is to allow the teams to "show what they can do"; they've worked all season long, and this is our opportunity to see that and celebrate what they have accomplished. >> >> There is, officially, no such thing as losing an FLL tournament. There's a participation award for every child (and often coaches), and most of us long-time volunteers recognize that this is the most important award that we give out. The experiences that the team has are the real long-term reward for the work they put in during the season. (And many coaches have heard from me that the most important part of the tournament is not when the teams meet with the judges and referees...) >> >> Yes, we do have awards to recognize excellence, and to provide an additional incentive and inspiration for all teams to do their best, and the hierarchy of tournaments is part of that structure. But you'll see that the journey really is its own reward. >> >> >> So, if your team goes to a tournament and is not invited to advance to the next level, is that all there is--are they done? Not necessarily. >> There's probably a break, to relax and get over any disappointment. But after tournaments, team members are often full of new ideas, that they are eager to tinker with and try out. We hope that they continue to improve their skills with robotics, and problem solving, and sharing their experiences with others. We encourage teams in areas with multiple tournaments to attend one before or after their tournament, just to see more ideas, and stay excited. There are also opportunities to attend via the internet, locally and around the world, if you aren't able to go to one in person, and to be in the audience for FTC, FRC or other robotics events. Or mentor a Junior FLL team! >> >> As Nick Swayne said, there is some interest in friendly events in the springtime; I know that there are some opportunities already, and teams can organize and host a friendly get-together with another group. >> >> FLL and intellectual pursuits are like athletics--if you totally stop doing things at the end of a season, you'll get rusty, and need time to get the kinks out the following year, but, if you stay active in related activities, you can continue to improve skills, and round out your abilities by trying new things. >> >> >> That's more than enough philosophizing for today. In just one more month, we'll have tournaments underway, with teams talking about what they can do now that they couldn't do before, what they are most proud of accomplishing, and what makes the judges and the other teams say WOW! >> >> Steve Scherr >> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:20 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> My name is Tim. I am from Mindframe Education (Mindbot team), and this is our first time doing FLL, as well as my first year coaching an FLL team. The information is very overwhelming, and we are a little late in terms of preparation. I would greatly appreciate it if you guys can help me with the information on the followings: >>> 1. The important dates other than the ones listed on the websites. For instance, on the FLL websites, it says that Nov 14th - Jan 17th are regional tournaments. But when is it for us, the Northern VA and DC area? And where does it take place? >>> 2. Where does our regional tournament take place? >>> 3. What happens when a team wins a loses in the regional tournament? Does the team advance to the next regional round, or does the team move on and compete in a bigger tournament? And when a team loses in the regional tournament, does it mean that they are done and have to wait till next year FLL? >>> We would greatly appreciate it if you guys can provide us with the above information. Thank you in advance! >>> With regards, >>> Tim >>> >>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". >>> >>> -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. 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