i'm coming to this only after seeing a number of responses.  Let's not give
these people any more publicity. Ann

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The more I am processing this the angrier I am getting. So they are
> sending this stupid letter to the provosts and deans of untenured people,
> trans and other minority scholars, and grad students who signed -
> presumably to get them in trouble? To fuck up their lives? To what end? How
> does this even conceivably help the causes that they themselves claim to
> champion? What the hell?
>
> And they are using THIS LIST  to try to get feminist scholars to throw
> vulnerable people under the bus at their own institutions, quite possibly
> without even noticing that that's what they are doing.
>
> With Naomi's clarification I am now about a thousand times more angry and
> disgusted than I was at the start.
>
> Rebecca
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I didn't understand the list either! Weird! Thanks, Naomi.
>>
>> I agree with several others on this thread that (even though I started
>> it) a back and forth over email is unlikely to be a wonderful idea, and
>> things will only get more and more meta. The more I read this letter the
>> worse it gets, It's TERFy and ignorant and doing even Tuvel herself no
>> favors. I'm pretty furious it exists.
>>
>> I'll just once more renew my call for people to actually work on these
>> issues and on communicating and listening better.
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Naomi Scheman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a quick note lest anyone make the mistake I made: the list of names
>>> at the bottom of the open letter are the addressees, not the signers!
>>>
>>> Naomi Scheman
>>> Professor Emerita, Philosophy and Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies
>>> University of Minnesota
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2017, at 4:31 PM, NOELLE MCAFEE <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree 100 percent with Rebecca. Let's just stop tearing the feminist
>>> philosophy community apart. Enough with letters, petitions, defensiveness,
>>> and attacks. We need to think constructively about editorial practices
>>> going forward. Feminists ought to understand that if a group of colleagues
>>> are deeply offended by something then we all need to take notice and be
>>> honest and charitable and try to appreciate what is going on. This may call
>>> for a conference to sort it out.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> So people are angry about an open letter that they felt attacked a
>>> junior person so they thought the best solution was yet another open letter
>>> attacking what was mostly junior people? This has to stop somewhere. And
>>> this affair has to be allowed to die already.
>>>
>>> I didn't sign the first letter and I am not signing this one either.
>>>
>>> People need to stop trying to settle their academic and political
>>> disagreements via open letters designed to publicly shame by ganging up on
>>> other people. It's not even clear what action item this one is calling for.
>>> (The article is already being published, with only tiny word changes to
>>> bring it in line with current linguistic conventions that avoid slurs, and
>>> the other two items are too vague to be actionable.)
>>>
>>> The issues in this area are super important, so let's actually work on
>>> them, rather than devoting our productive hours to metametametacritiques.
>>>
>>> Rebecca
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julian Vigo ([log in to unmask]) asked me to forward the following
>>>> message to the FEAST listserv.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Andrea Veltman
>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy
>>>> Department of Philosophy & Religion
>>>> James Madison University
>>>> MSC 8006
>>>> Harrisonburg, VA  22807
>>>> Office phone: 540-568-4236 <(540)%20568-4236>
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>> My latest book, *Meaningful Work*, is recently published by Oxford
>>>> University Press:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=Z0jpcXz_SIj8ix7TiUOVIxUrOTXkcsipb33sxSZ5VaQ&s=vKHVgTmZHXkc2AVabUZ112oSrlf8j9JxnB8tY69jUuY&e= 
>>>> 190618179?cc=us&lang=en&
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780190618179-3Fcc-3Dus-26lang-3Den-26&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=LOV-2yxVfBhZ6rrELChk7V70HvBgW6zEshQ0UIKg7j4&s=HYce-eGOp33z007rPm2X5TNGaDb6rEQYz0bS3UosSqI&e=>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Julian Vigo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:54 PM
>>>> *To:* Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal
>>>> *Subject:* open letter
>>>>
>>>> Dear Andrea,
>>>>
>>>> I am writing to ask if you could sign & share this open letter to
>>>> protect academic freedom related to the Tuvel affair with consequences far
>>>> beyond:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=Z0jpcXz_SIj8ix7TiUOVIxUrOTXkcsipb33sxSZ5VaQ&s=iu2iMInKKQj4-3b23FUwEptF-eUVBhrOQeqRQ2yODVM&e= 
>>>> patia-controversy
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhypatia-2Dcontroversy&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=pD1LC8iUB_9BolWVjp5mQO6Efu7JLE3SBBQChsLBQFA&e=>
>>>>
>>>> Your collaboration in signing and sharing this on social media, with
>>>> colleagues and the Listserv would be creating appreciated!
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>>
>>>> Julian Vigo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
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>>>>  Dr. Julian Vigo, PhD, FRSA
>>>>      www.lubellule.com
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>>>>
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>>>>   twitter
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