Strongly agree, Serene! Rebecca On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Serene Khader <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Speaking as an individual (and not as a representative of Hypatia), I want > to agree with the concerns raised Ann, Naomi, Rebecca, and Camisha. > > I also want to draw attention to something that Rebecca already started > to, but that may not be evident to many readers at first blush: the letter > is TERFy. Point 3 is all about how "feelings about gender" are making it > impossible to talk about sex. So, though the letter paints itself as a > defense of academic freedom, I urge people to take note of what is being > said in that section of the letter. As far as I can tell, the letter is > trying to create outrage about the idea that trans people are silencing > "females" and preventing feminist movements from advancing their interests. > And I would hope that most people in the feminist philosophy community > would find that proposition false and morally suspect--and that those of us > who are cis would consider the interests and perspectives of our trans > friends and colleagues as we formulate our individual reactions to the > letter. > > > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Lynne Tirrell <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> I agree with Ann and think Naomi and Rebecca are right on. Thanks >> especially, Naomi. >> >> Lynne >> Sent from my iPad, by dictation >> >> On May 28, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Ann Garry <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> i'm coming to this only after seeing a number of responses. Let's not >> give these people any more publicity. Ann >> >> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> The more I am processing this the angrier I am getting. So they are >>> sending this stupid letter to the provosts and deans of untenured people, >>> trans and other minority scholars, and grad students who signed - >>> presumably to get them in trouble? To fuck up their lives? To what end? How >>> does this even conceivably help the causes that they themselves claim to >>> champion? What the hell? >>> >>> And they are using THIS LIST to try to get feminist scholars to throw >>> vulnerable people under the bus at their own institutions, quite possibly >>> without even noticing that that's what they are doing. >>> >>> With Naomi's clarification I am now about a thousand times more angry >>> and disgusted than I was at the start. >>> >>> Rebecca >>> >>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> I didn't understand the list either! Weird! Thanks, Naomi. >>>> >>>> I agree with several others on this thread that (even though I started >>>> it) a back and forth over email is unlikely to be a wonderful idea, and >>>> things will only get more and more meta. The more I read this letter the >>>> worse it gets, It's TERFy and ignorant and doing even Tuvel herself no >>>> favors. I'm pretty furious it exists. >>>> >>>> I'll just once more renew my call for people to actually work on these >>>> issues and on communicating and listening better. >>>> >>>> Rebecca >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Naomi Scheman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just a quick note lest anyone make the mistake I made: the list of >>>>> names at the bottom of the open letter are the addressees, not the signers! >>>>> >>>>> Naomi Scheman >>>>> Professor Emerita, Philosophy and Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies >>>>> University of Minnesota >>>>> >>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 4:31 PM, NOELLE MCAFEE <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree 100 percent with Rebecca. Let's just stop tearing the feminist >>>>> philosophy community apart. Enough with letters, petitions, defensiveness, >>>>> and attacks. We need to think constructively about editorial practices >>>>> going forward. Feminists ought to understand that if a group of colleagues >>>>> are deeply offended by something then we all need to take notice and be >>>>> honest and charitable and try to appreciate what is going on. This may call >>>>> for a conference to sort it out. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So people are angry about an open letter that they felt attacked a >>>>> junior person so they thought the best solution was yet another open letter >>>>> attacking what was mostly junior people? This has to stop somewhere. And >>>>> this affair has to be allowed to die already. >>>>> >>>>> I didn't sign the first letter and I am not signing this one either. >>>>> >>>>> People need to stop trying to settle their academic and political >>>>> disagreements via open letters designed to publicly shame by ganging up on >>>>> other people. It's not even clear what action item this one is calling for. >>>>> (The article is already being published, with only tiny word changes to >>>>> bring it in line with current linguistic conventions that avoid slurs, and >>>>> the other two items are too vague to be actionable.) >>>>> >>>>> The issues in this area are super important, so let's actually work on >>>>> them, rather than devoting our productive hours to metametametacritiques. >>>>> >>>>> Rebecca >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Julian Vigo ([log in to unmask]) asked me to forward the >>>>>> following message to the FEAST listserv. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrea >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Andrea Veltman >>>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy >>>>>> Department of Philosophy & Religion >>>>>> James Madison University >>>>>> MSC 8006 >>>>>> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >>>>>> Office phone: 540-568-4236 <(540)%20568-4236> >>>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>>> >>>>>> My latest book, *Meaningful Work*, is recently published by Oxford >>>>>> University Press: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=KsunyItM_XqH3cUk1JZS9q7CKAcUxOyAg-7RGwxTws4&s=Af_QP0Op2ai385ZgM0tpyrWbnRUBps0uFX0WXgrdeWc&e= >>>>>> 190618179?cc=us&lang=en& >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780190618179-3Fcc-3Dus-26lang-3Den-26&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=LOV-2yxVfBhZ6rrELChk7V70HvBgW6zEshQ0UIKg7j4&s=HYce-eGOp33z007rPm2X5TNGaDb6rEQYz0bS3UosSqI&e=> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Julian Vigo <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:54 PM >>>>>> *To:* Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal >>>>>> *Subject:* open letter >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Andrea, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am writing to ask if you could sign & share this open letter to >>>>>> protect academic freedom related to the Tuvel affair with consequences far >>>>>> beyond: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=KsunyItM_XqH3cUk1JZS9q7CKAcUxOyAg-7RGwxTws4&s=fJT_xCcjn7vS0Cc2aX8TNiSffYacC4DKOgU7tipYiac&e= >>>>>> patia-controversy >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhypatia-2Dcontroversy&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=pD1LC8iUB_9BolWVjp5mQO6Efu7JLE3SBBQChsLBQFA&e=> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your collaboration in signing and sharing this on social media, with >>>>>> colleagues and the Listserv would be creating appreciated! >>>>>> >>>>>> Warmly, >>>>>> >>>>>> Julian Vigo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ >>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ >>>>>> Dr. Julian Vigo, PhD, FRSA >>>>>> www.lubellule.com >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lubellule.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=lb2KP3tV7dUGoMg0KrnwvFGHaQbKDzIfW2DnaflwlMc&e=> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=> >>>>>> <dragonfly.jpg> >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=> >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=> >>>>>> >>>>> ... > > [Message clipped] ############################ To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1