Strongly agree, Serene!

Rebecca

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Serene Khader <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Speaking as an individual (and not as a representative of Hypatia), I want
> to agree with the concerns raised Ann, Naomi, Rebecca, and Camisha.
>
> I also want to draw attention to something that Rebecca already started
> to, but that may not be evident to many readers at first blush: the letter
> is TERFy. Point 3 is all about how "feelings about gender" are making it
> impossible to talk about sex. So, though the letter paints itself as a
> defense of academic freedom, I urge people to take note of what is being
> said in that section of the letter. As far as I can tell, the letter is
> trying to create outrage about the idea that trans people are silencing
> "females" and preventing feminist movements from advancing their interests.
> And I would hope that most people in the feminist philosophy community
> would find that proposition false and morally suspect--and that those of us
> who are cis would consider the interests and perspectives of our trans
> friends and colleagues as we formulate our individual reactions to the
> letter.
>
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Lynne Tirrell <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ann and think Naomi and Rebecca are right on. Thanks
>> especially, Naomi.
>>
>> Lynne
>> Sent from my iPad, by dictation
>>
>> On May 28, 2017, at 5:09 PM, Ann Garry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> i'm coming to this only after seeing a number of responses.  Let's not
>> give these people any more publicity. Ann
>>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> The more I am processing this the angrier I am getting. So they are
>>> sending this stupid letter to the provosts and deans of untenured people,
>>> trans and other minority scholars, and grad students who signed -
>>> presumably to get them in trouble? To fuck up their lives? To what end? How
>>> does this even conceivably help the causes that they themselves claim to
>>> champion? What the hell?
>>>
>>> And they are using THIS LIST  to try to get feminist scholars to throw
>>> vulnerable people under the bus at their own institutions, quite possibly
>>> without even noticing that that's what they are doing.
>>>
>>> With Naomi's clarification I am now about a thousand times more angry
>>> and disgusted than I was at the start.
>>>
>>> Rebecca
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't understand the list either! Weird! Thanks, Naomi.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with several others on this thread that (even though I started
>>>> it) a back and forth over email is unlikely to be a wonderful idea, and
>>>> things will only get more and more meta. The more I read this letter the
>>>> worse it gets, It's TERFy and ignorant and doing even Tuvel herself no
>>>> favors. I'm pretty furious it exists.
>>>>
>>>> I'll just once more renew my call for people to actually work on these
>>>> issues and on communicating and listening better.
>>>>
>>>> Rebecca
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Naomi Scheman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick note lest anyone make the mistake I made: the list of
>>>>> names at the bottom of the open letter are the addressees, not the signers!
>>>>>
>>>>> Naomi Scheman
>>>>> Professor Emerita, Philosophy and Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies
>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 4:31 PM, NOELLE MCAFEE <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree 100 percent with Rebecca. Let's just stop tearing the feminist
>>>>> philosophy community apart. Enough with letters, petitions, defensiveness,
>>>>> and attacks. We need to think constructively about editorial practices
>>>>> going forward. Feminists ought to understand that if a group of colleagues
>>>>> are deeply offended by something then we all need to take notice and be
>>>>> honest and charitable and try to appreciate what is going on. This may call
>>>>> for a conference to sort it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Rebecca Kukla <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So people are angry about an open letter that they felt attacked a
>>>>> junior person so they thought the best solution was yet another open letter
>>>>> attacking what was mostly junior people? This has to stop somewhere. And
>>>>> this affair has to be allowed to die already.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't sign the first letter and I am not signing this one either.
>>>>>
>>>>> People need to stop trying to settle their academic and political
>>>>> disagreements via open letters designed to publicly shame by ganging up on
>>>>> other people. It's not even clear what action item this one is calling for.
>>>>> (The article is already being published, with only tiny word changes to
>>>>> bring it in line with current linguistic conventions that avoid slurs, and
>>>>> the other two items are too vague to be actionable.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The issues in this area are super important, so let's actually work on
>>>>> them, rather than devoting our productive hours to metametametacritiques.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rebecca
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian Vigo ([log in to unmask]) asked me to forward the
>>>>>> following message to the FEAST listserv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Andrea Veltman
>>>>>> Associate Professor of Philosophy
>>>>>> Department of Philosophy & Religion
>>>>>> James Madison University
>>>>>> MSC 8006
>>>>>> Harrisonburg, VA  22807
>>>>>> Office phone: 540-568-4236 <(540)%20568-4236>
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My latest book, *Meaningful Work*, is recently published by Oxford
>>>>>> University Press:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=KsunyItM_XqH3cUk1JZS9q7CKAcUxOyAg-7RGwxTws4&s=Af_QP0Op2ai385ZgM0tpyrWbnRUBps0uFX0WXgrdeWc&e= 
>>>>>> 190618179?cc=us&lang=en&
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__global.oup.com_academic_product_meaningful-2Dwork-2D9780190618179-3Fcc-3Dus-26lang-3Den-26&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=LOV-2yxVfBhZ6rrELChk7V70HvBgW6zEshQ0UIKg7j4&s=HYce-eGOp33z007rPm2X5TNGaDb6rEQYz0bS3UosSqI&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Julian Vigo <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 3:54 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Veltman, Andrea - veltmaal
>>>>>> *Subject:* open letter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Andrea,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am writing to ask if you could sign & share this open letter to
>>>>>> protect academic freedom related to the Tuvel affair with consequences far
>>>>>> beyond:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HUp8-bkYMlNgd3ZJBxWBKsBsFAFGHrEZg21p9gxugJA&m=KsunyItM_XqH3cUk1JZS9q7CKAcUxOyAg-7RGwxTws4&s=fJT_xCcjn7vS0Cc2aX8TNiSffYacC4DKOgU7tipYiac&e= 
>>>>>> patia-controversy
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ipetitions.com_petition_an-2Dopen-2Dletter-2Don-2Dthe-2Dhypatia-2Dcontroversy&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=pD1LC8iUB_9BolWVjp5mQO6Efu7JLE3SBBQChsLBQFA&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your collaboration in signing and sharing this on social media, with
>>>>>> colleagues and the Listserv would be creating appreciated!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian Vigo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
>>>>>> ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚
>>>>>>  Dr. Julian Vigo, PhD, FRSA
>>>>>>      www.lubellule.com
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lubellule.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=lb2KP3tV7dUGoMg0KrnwvFGHaQbKDzIfW2DnaflwlMc&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>> <dragonfly.jpg>
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__about.me_julianvigo&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=D9KtTmOQsn10dtN5dPMs0Q&m=5u-tJCbUBRI5uuQg2RcQWoYD8ONgKhBApUTxxS6d4u8&s=CtuY6MLWsQNiq_B2LMDT2V8kGYMrgCu6Q9MsarFeLKg&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>
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