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Lisa and Cedric,

I applaud you and your kids for reading the Challenge documents and trying
to do the right thing.  The Field Setup Guide does tell you to "Install a
Rain and the Dirty Water into the Slingshot..."  But, the catch is that the
Challenge Guide does not state that condition is required for scoring.  You
have stumbled upon one of the great tenants of FLL: "If A Detail Isn’t
Mentioned,
Then It Doesn’t Matter."

Since the scoring condition is underlined, not with an asterisk, the
condition (Slingshot is completely in its target) needs only to exist at
the end of the match to score the 20 points.  Since there is no method
required, it doesn't matter how the Slingshot gets to the target.  It also
does not state where the Dirty Water or Rain need to be.  So, they may or
may not be with, or in, the Slingshot for the Slingshot to score.

Similarly, for the bonus, the condition (Dirty Water, a Rain, and the
Slingshot are completely in the target) needs only to exist at the end of
the match to score the 15 bonus points.  Again, since there is no method
required, it doesn't matter how the Dirty Water, Rain, or Slingshot, get
into the Slingshot target.  Note that it highlights "WITH" so it does not
matter whether or not they are, or ever were, in the Slingshot -- only that
all three components are in the Slingshot target.

Regarding the pictures, the first pictures under each condition could be
identical and still be correct.  A Slingshot with Dirty Water and a Rain in
the Slingshot target would score 20 points.  A Slingshot with Dirty Water
and a Rain in the Slingshot target would also score the 15 additional bonus
points.


Jeff Beima
Mentor


On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Cedric D'Costa <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> The dirty water and rain are loaded by hand in base and are to be carried
> by
>
> the robot to the target (black rectangle).
>
>
> However the pictures on Page 28 of the Challenge guide are unclear as to
>
> how to obtain the 15 bonus points. The first picture of the base score (20
> points)
>
> and the first picture of the bonus (15 points) are exactly the same.
>
>
> The bonus is described as "Dirty water and rain completely in the
> Slingshot target".
>
> The first picture shows it need not be ejected.
>
>
> Referees please clarify the difference between the base score and bonus
> for this
>
> mission.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Cedric D'Costa
>
> Coach, Team#18179
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* First Lego League in Virginia and DC <[log in to unmask]>
> on behalf of Lisa Flannery <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:45 PM
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] FLL hydro dynamics field setup question
>
> Another question for set-up:
>
> M17- Are the Dirty Water and Rain pieces loaded into the Slingshot by hand
> in-base?  Or is that the robot's job?  And, for the bonus, one photo shows
> both Waters inside and the other shows them ejected and in target.  Why
> would anyone risk ejecting them if bonus points are given while inside the
> Slingshot?
>
> Thank you for any clarification,
>
> Lisa Flannery
> Watt Bots Coach #26957
> Midlothian, VA
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:32 AM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Part 2:
>
>   In the Mission Models (Advanced Setups) section, it gives the
> instructions for attaching the Pump System.  The figure for Step 1 shows
> where to put dual lock on the Pump System.  Since the picture is
> low-resolution, here's what to do:  use 6 pairs of dual lock.  I've
> included a picture showing where they go on one side.
>
>   One at the top of the long gray piece on the centerline of the round
> part.
>   One at the bottom of the round part, also on the long gray piece.
>   One diagonally at the bottom of the long gray piece above the round part.
>
>   Once you have the 6 pairs of dual lock attached to the model (you'll
> have sticky sides out on the outside of the pairs), line the model up
> between its marks and push north to attach to the North wall.  The Pump
> System will still be sitting on the Mat.
>
> Steve Scherr
> VA-DC FLL Referee Advisor
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 11:09 AM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>   The Pump model does need to be attached to the North wall.
>>
>>   As stated in the Field Setup document, "The Mat is smaller than the
>> playing surface by design."  Step 3 of the Field Mat Placement section,
>> says to align the mat so there is no gap at the South wall, and equal gaps
>> at the East and West walls.  So there is going to be a gap at the North
>> wall.  Teams--remember that the North wall gap may vary a little between
>> your practice table and a tournament table.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Cedric D'Costa <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you VA/DC FLL for organizing the very informative worshop in
>>> Reston, VA on Friday.
>>> I had brought up this question there as the worshop table Pump system
>>> model (similar to my team) had not stuck the model to the north border
>>> wall.
>>>
>>> In order to stick the model to the wall, it needs to be slightly outside
>>> the mat. There is a small gap between the mat and the north wall and the
>>> mat itself has a black border. In order to keep the model on the mat we
>>> would need to add additional Lego pieces or something to fill the gap and
>>> have the model make contact with the wall.
>>>
>>> The field set up guide does not offer information regarding this.
>>> However on page 13 it apppears as though the model is slightly outside the
>>> mat.
>>>
>>> Referees, coaches please repond.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Cedric D'Costa
>>> Coach Team# 18179
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Rajesh Shah <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: 09/09/2017 6:47 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [VADCFLL-L] FLL hydro dynamics field setup question
>>>
>>> We are trying to figure out how the pump target system is attached to
>>> the north wall of the table using dual locks as mentioned in field setup
>>> guide.  Any suggestion?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Rajesh Shah
>>> Coach Team  #31778
>>>
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