Hello ToK Society,

My name is Jason Bessey. I've been interested in the ToK (since it was first brought to my attention by Steve Quackenbush) and been corresponding with Gregg about it for over a decade now since I was a Psychology under-grad. I have a general interest in the social sciences, and have been particularly interested in macroeconomic issues in recent years. I hope to learn from this group and contribute to it, at least in some small way.

Happy Holidays,
Jason 

On Thursday, December 21, 2017, 4:59:24 PM EST, Gary Brill <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Greetings ToK-Society List,

This is Gary Brill, recently retired from the Rutgers psychology faculty. I've been interested in the Tree of Knowledge System for several years and have been following its development into the UTUA framework and Metaphysical Empiricism.

As Gregg knows, I have strong enthusiasm for the potential of these ideas, but I also have a number of questions and objections. For now, I will limit my comments to an important theme in Gregg's opening introduction to the list (one that Chance McDermott also touched upon in an earlier posting): the notion of "factoring out human language games."

Gregg states that factoring out language games will leave behind the "picture of the universe offered by the Tree of Knowledge System." But if science (along with religion, law, societal customs, etc.) is a justification systems and if justification systems are language games (as stated in the opening introduction), then "factoring out language games" factors out science itself. Nothing is left behind.

It seems to me that the ToK/UTUA must be conceptualized as situatied *within* the language game of science. And if that is the case, then there still remains the need to address various tough criticisms of the scientific approach to psychology, criticisms that have been leveled both by philosophers (e.g., Charles Taylor) and theoretical psychologists (e.g., Brent Slife, Frank Richardson, and many others).

Briefly, the main challenge is that science, the quest to uncover objective, timeless and universal principles (laws), is not appropriate for understanding historically- and culturally-situated beings whose behavior and mental life (including language games) are consituted by their constantly changing, meaningful interpretations of their culture, relationships, and experiences.

I consider the ToK/UTUA a very good attempt at framing things within the science language game, but I don't see how it can be justified on the basis of it being what is left when language games are factored out.

Thanks to Gregg for establishing this group and happy holidays to all,
Gary

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