Well my grandfathers both went to Auschwitz thinking that they had served their country as good citizens, only to learn that being Jewish negated such 'white privilege'. And I experienced prejudice as a white male in Baltimore at the hands of a senior Afro-American scientist reeking revenge. On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:21 PM, nysa71 < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Gregg, > > I think the key is simply recognizing that there are some things that we > as "white males" won't have to deal with because of being "white" and > "male". That's the privilege. > > An example that comes to mind is when my former sister-in-law went for a > job interview at a local paper mill several years ago. She and my brother > had recently had a child. The interviewer asked her, "But who's going to > watch the baby when your working?" My stunned sister-in-law said, "Um...a > daycare provider or her father". > > A man would never have to worry about being asked such a ridiculous and > patronizing (and certainly illegal!) question. Just one "male privilege" we > have. > > I don't think I have to worry nearly as much about police brutality as a > black person does. That's one example of my "white privilege". > > It's *not* recognizing these sorts of things which contributes to an > oppressive system of "the Other". We can't fix problems we don't recognize. > > ~ Jason Bessey > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 1:42:48 PM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > I guess the issue is whether the point regarding oppression is being > minimized by Brooks or if it is being exaggerated by others. > > > > I certainly find myself in contexts in the university academy where I feel > folks are over-emphasizing white male oppression. > > > > And it is too easy for someone to hear me voice that and then state that I > must be saying that because I am a privileged white male and am blinded by > self-serving motives (an accusation that has been leveled against me). > > > > G > > > > Sent from Mail > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=0KFgY-zVOy-_xZDC-N2N857SrhXjj7Ro24LkaK9HGFE&s=0-2m41E0_hFqLwkIHGovb1FLkx0kDLAjipu96e7rjpg&e=> > for Windows 10 > > > > *From: *nysa71 <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 2, 2018 1:36 PM > *To: *[log in to unmask] > *Subject: *Re: Interesting David Brooks Article > > > Gregg, > > I'm all for heterodoxy. It's very much needed. And nothing wrong with > different political viewpoints. But I was criticizing Brooke's minimization > of oppression, and his whole strawman that identifying oppression > necessarily means that one's "goodness is secure", that one has "virtue > without obligation", and that "nothing is one's fault". (Just because > someone is "oppressed" doesn't mean they can't be a bad, non-virtuous > person who has a lot of things happen to them that is their fault.) > > I found it to be a very self-serving article by a neoliberal, white > male-privileged media elitist who down-played neo-liberalism, white male > privilege, and media elitism and the contributions these things make to the > very systemic and institutional oppression that he's minimizing. > > Indeed, it's ironic that he was engaging in a "tribalism" of his own by so > easily criticizing the "*oppressed* herd" without considering the > possibility that he himself could be part of the "*oppressor* herd". > > ~ Jason > > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 12:44:02 PM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Jason, > > You don’t see any validity to his point? > > > > I find myself resonating with it. I am a member of the Heterodox Academy > (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__heterodoxacademy.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CMG-L8R1p75FjcV8MH-hee3xu-tfRor3UG53nxBzFmU&s=vpk43MDBIAyzfC6Yf-kkeRAcQshM3l45UD4_XfaIMqQ&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__heterodoxacademy.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=s7E6hU5UlYFY6gQijMvYR9Mz6wxlYSVWfmXVz1QJn0k&s=uh229-o5-tXpnuGbbkiKdhuytlc8z-cRd4aF7L77q9Q&e=>), > which is concerned with the lack of political viewpoint diversity in the > academy. > > G > > > > Sent from Mail > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=s7E6hU5UlYFY6gQijMvYR9Mz6wxlYSVWfmXVz1QJn0k&s=N4CzN_8NJQQlTQDd_wX6fHGMv0ZDIVWlwUZAPaMWgxk&e=> > for Windows 10 > > > > *From: *nysa71 <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 2, 2018 11:51 AM > *To: *[log in to unmask] > *Subject: *Re: Interesting David Brooks Article > > > "The easiest way to do that is to tell a tribal oppressor/oppressed story > and build your own innocence on your status as victim. Just about everybody > can find a personal victim story. Once you’ve identified your herd’s > oppressor — the neoliberal order, the media elite, white males, whatever — > your goodness is secure. You have virtue without obligation. Nothing is > your fault." > > Well, we do in fact live in a world of oppression, though it's more "top > vs down" than "left vs. right". How convenient, though, that that would be > minimized by a white male media elitist and neoliberal apologist. I guess > that way, he can have virtue without obligation and nothing is the fault of > his herd. [image: Emoji] > > ~ Jason Bessey > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 10:47:17 AM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > I found this to be a thoughtful article by David Brooks. I find my own > life mission oriented toward contributing to conversation and visions > having to do with (re)constructing a broader, deeper, wiser global > worldview. > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_01_01_opinion_the-2Dretreat-2Dto-2D&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CMG-L8R1p75FjcV8MH-hee3xu-tfRor3UG53nxBzFmU&s=vPECsXrX5jje5HFo4PWN5V_FaXIjkMigEi1zgMu-7lc&e= > tribalism.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource= > story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion= > opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_01_01_opinion_the-2Dretreat-2Dto-2Dtribalism.html-3Faction-3Dclick-26pgtype-3DHomepage-26clickSource-3Dstory-2Dheading-26module-3Dopinion-2Dc-2Dcol-2Dleft-2Dregion-26region-3Dopinion-2Dc-2Dcol-2Dleft-2Dregion-26WT.nav-3Dopinion-2Dc-2Dcol-2Dleft-2Dregion&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=HMLUi7Owr7FINbhMMGiMiE7bJs2PWgNXZkkr4Aono5o&s=uT5I3J9qeSDfjEnYsFWE0ueGRjP9GwshnRJb2yyq778&e=> > > > > Best, > > Gregg > > > > Sent from Mail > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__go.microsoft.com_fwlink_-3FLinkId-3D550986&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=HMLUi7Owr7FINbhMMGiMiE7bJs2PWgNXZkkr4Aono5o&s=eU2LKkDLGh8ux4-sMzDnTRvOd5w4fTkysVWl8R-cvg4&e=> > for Windows 10 > > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A= > 1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A= > 1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A= > 1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A= > 1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A= > 1 > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A= > 1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1