Well my grandfathers both went to Auschwitz thinking that they had served
their country as good citizens, only to learn that being Jewish negated
such 'white privilege'. And I experienced prejudice as a white male in
Baltimore at the hands of a senior Afro-American scientist reeking revenge.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:21 PM, nysa71 <
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>
> Gregg,
>
> I think the key is simply recognizing that there are some things that we
> as "white males" won't have to deal with because of being "white" and
> "male". That's the privilege.
>
> An example that comes to mind is when my former sister-in-law went for a
> job interview at a local paper mill several years ago. She and my brother
> had recently had a child. The interviewer asked her, "But who's going to
> watch the baby when your working?" My stunned sister-in-law said, "Um...a
> daycare provider or her father".
>
> A man would never have to worry about being asked such a ridiculous and
> patronizing (and certainly illegal!) question. Just one "male privilege" we
> have.
>
> I don't think I have to worry nearly as much about police brutality as a
> black person does. That's one example of my "white privilege".
>
> It's *not* recognizing these sorts of things which contributes to an
> oppressive system of "the Other". We can't fix problems we don't recognize.
>
> ~ Jason Bessey
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 1:42:48 PM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> I guess the issue is whether the point regarding oppression is being
> minimized by Brooks or if it is being exaggerated by others.
>
>
>
> I certainly find myself in contexts in the university academy where I feel
> folks are over-emphasizing white male oppression.
>
>
>
> And it is too easy for someone to hear me voice that and then state that I
> must be saying that because I am a privileged white male and am blinded by
> self-serving motives (an accusation that has been leveled against me).
>
>
>
> G
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> *From: *nysa71 <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 2, 2018 1:36 PM
> *To: *[log in to unmask]
> *Subject: *Re: Interesting David Brooks Article
>
>
> Gregg,
>
> I'm all for heterodoxy. It's very much needed. And nothing wrong with
> different political viewpoints. But I was criticizing Brooke's minimization
> of oppression, and his whole strawman that identifying oppression
> necessarily means that one's "goodness is secure", that one has "virtue
> without obligation", and that "nothing is one's fault". (Just because
> someone is "oppressed" doesn't mean they can't be a bad, non-virtuous
> person who has a lot of things happen to them that is their fault.)
>
> I found it to be a very self-serving article by a neoliberal, white
> male-privileged media elitist who down-played neo-liberalism, white male
> privilege, and media elitism and the contributions these things make to the
> very systemic and institutional oppression that he's minimizing.
>
> Indeed, it's ironic that he was engaging in a "tribalism" of his own by so
> easily criticizing the "*oppressed* herd" without considering the
> possibility that he himself could be part of the "*oppressor* herd".
>
> ~ Jason
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 12:44:02 PM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>
> Jason,
>
>   You don’t see any validity to his point?
>
>
>
>   I find myself resonating with it. I am a member of the Heterodox Academy
> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__heterodoxacademy.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CMG-L8R1p75FjcV8MH-hee3xu-tfRor3UG53nxBzFmU&s=vpk43MDBIAyzfC6Yf-kkeRAcQshM3l45UD4_XfaIMqQ&e= 
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> which is concerned with the lack of political viewpoint diversity in the
> academy.
>
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>
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> *From: *nysa71 <[log in to unmask]>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 2, 2018 11:51 AM
> *To: *[log in to unmask]
> *Subject: *Re: Interesting David Brooks Article
>
>
> "The easiest way to do that is to tell a tribal oppressor/oppressed story
> and build your own innocence on your status as victim. Just about everybody
> can find a personal victim story. Once you’ve identified your herd’s
> oppressor — the neoliberal order, the media elite, white males, whatever —
> your goodness is secure. You have virtue without obligation. Nothing is
> your fault."
>
> Well, we do in fact live in a world of oppression, though it's more "top
> vs down" than "left vs. right". How convenient, though, that that would be
> minimized by a white male media elitist and neoliberal apologist. I guess
> that way, he can have virtue without obligation and nothing is the fault of
> his herd. [image: Emoji]
>
> ~ Jason Bessey
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 10:47:17 AM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>
> I found this to be a thoughtful article by David Brooks. I find my own
> life mission oriented toward contributing to conversation and visions
> having to do with (re)constructing a broader, deeper, wiser global
> worldview.
>
>
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_01_01_opinion_the-2Dretreat-2Dto-2D&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CMG-L8R1p75FjcV8MH-hee3xu-tfRor3UG53nxBzFmU&s=vPECsXrX5jje5HFo4PWN5V_FaXIjkMigEi1zgMu-7lc&e= 
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> Best,
>
> Gregg
>
>
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