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Thanks, Jason.

Jordan Peterson is a “shiny object” for the academic/identity politic left. He challenges some of their sacred cows, and thus a consequence is that he becomes a hero of the alt right. And that is a reason to be concerned, as anything that energizes the alt right should be concerning.

However, it is crucial to recognize that this framing this is largely function of political polarization rather than what he is actually preaching. I don’t think that Peterson is really any closer to the “real” alt right (i.e., White male supremacy sympathizers) than I am. However, he does believe in the animus and anima archetypes. And he believes that the mythologies of our past were central to human psychology and how we function in the world (i.e., they revealed deep things about our deep natures).

And, he believes that if we are to be healthy in our living, we must realign our psychologies with archetypal mythologies, at least in some way. (Sound somewhat familiar 😊? He is very Jungian). And he thinks that the postmodern view has completely unmoored us in our quest for meaning making.

From: tree of knowledge system discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of nysa71
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:28 AM
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Subject: Re: Jordan Peterson (again)

Gregg,

I want to emphasize the word "suspected". I'm not saying anything with a tremendous amount of certainty. I haven't looked too deeply into Peterson's thought. He doesn't really seem that interesting. But I keep hearing his name pop up from time-to-time, and (with the exception of this list serve), it's never positive.

He seems too obsessed with the Soviet Union and a "Red Scare" mentality. He appears to hold great appeal to the alt-right. I get the impression he wants to go back to the "good ol' days" of the 1950s. And dresses it all up in a scholarly-sounding manner that makes him appear to be legitimate and hence appealing (to some).

The link to that series of Tweets that Steve provided just seems to confirm what I've **suspected** about Peterson from what little I've heard of him.

~ Jason

On Sunday, May 20, 2018, 8:03:53 AM EDT, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

This is a fascinating rant against Peterson. I look forward to reading more about “metamodernism”.

Of course, the ToK/UTUA framework is offered as a “post post-modern grand meta-narrative”. I agree with Chance here that any such approach had better integrate archetypal and evolutionary thinking. Will see if metamodernism does that with any degree of sophistication.

Fun stuff, all of it.

Best,
Gregg

From: tree of knowledge system discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chance McDermott
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 11:39 PM
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Subject: Re: Jordan Peterson (again)

Hi Steve, thank you for sharing.

This is my first contact with Abramson. When Abramson explained Peterson as a dangerous demagogue, I found myself wanting him to explain it in clear terms rather than imply it was obvious. I do agree with him that Peterson is winning, and will continue to win, the intellectual and social battleground. My parting initial thought on Abramson is: "Good luck defining a stable post-post modern reality without understanding and accepting evolutionary and analytic psychology."

-Chance

On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 10:25 PM, nysa71 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Steve,

I love it! It pretty much confirms what I suspected about Peterson....that he's an intellectual fraud. And probably an awful human being, as well.

~ Jason Bessey

On Saturday, May 19, 2018, 10:03:06 PM EDT, Steven Quackenbush <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Those ToK list serve members with an interest in Jordan Peterson might enjoy Seth Abramson's recent twitter thread exploring the cultural significance of the "Jordan Peterson" phenomenon: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/997980968886644736

At the time of my writing, Seth is still constructing his thread. Here are a few excerpts (from the most recent tweets):

Tweet 62: "...Peterson offers a dead end that lives more in 1318 than 2018..."

Tweet 64: "...I fear the choice in America over the next few years will be between embracing a multiversal, five-dimensional post-postmodernism or being stuck—forced to eat—tired, one-dimensional, fundamentally fascist pap that looked new for a second."

Tweet 69: "My advice (and view): it's okay to agree with Peterson on the first 1% of his worldview—that postmodernism must eventually be supplanted. But the key is to note that what Peterson wants to supplant it with would already have seemed passé by 1690. It's a *total joke* in 2018."

~ Steve Q.

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