Hi All, Thanks much for the stimulating contributions. I will offer some thoughts soon, so that perhaps we can sort out where it is where we are standing, both as a group and as individuals who have all been on long and intense journeys trying to figure out some of the most complex problems in philosophy. I think we all have interesting things to say. Warm regards to all! Best, G Sent from my iPad > On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Diop, Corinne Joan Martin - diopcj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Thank you-- and thank you also for the correction! Cantor has emerged again in a small body of work I am doing on people named Georg(e/es), so I will be sure to look into this intrigue before exhibiting/writing about it again! (The others are Braque, Gurdjieff and Sand...) > > Corinne > ________________________________________ > From: tree of knowledge system discussion [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Mark Stahlman [[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:04 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: New Paradigms > > Corrine: > > Thanks -- fascinating and beautifully done . . . !! > > Small correction, if you don't mind. Galileo's astronomy didn't > really "threaten" anything and his problems with the Church were quite > different from the usual accounts, having more to with his anti-Rome > Venetian backers (btw, my "godfather" Giorgio Desantillana wrote the > one-time "definitive" work on the topic and my father helped to design > what is now the Galileo Museum in Florence) and it was Cantor who > approached Franzelin, who pretty much blew him off (i.e. the Church > really didn't care what he was doing). > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Crime-2DGalileo-2DGiorgio-2DSantillana_dp_0226734811&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=Bfq1ppMS3XgQnnQpYnIZ8wC_97XYRZJRxUuB1rAMdwc&e= > > Mark > > P.S. The usual reports about G. Bruno's troubles are also mistaken. > It had little to do with his "heresy." In fact, as best as I can > tell, he was an "agent" of the English spymaster Walsingham and was > caught organizing against the Vatican. We often forget how much > "intrigue" was going on in those days and how often Rome was on the > receiving end (as well as dishing it out) -- plus how they were > finally defeated in the mid-19th century after many centuries of > declining influence. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Francis-5FWalsingham&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=IYy1BIydW2s5dWUnNTYIYOmAhcjKtdkXhsxHKkAcdVo&e= > > Quoting "Diop, Corinne Joan Martin - diopcj" <[log in to unmask]>: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just sharing some of my artwork that relates a bit :) >> >> "Sizing the Infinite, Seeking Eternity," about Georg Cantor was >> done in collaboration with E. Theta Brown, Associate Professor of Math >> >> Cover and pp. 11 – 16. (Photographs and essay.) >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__kapsula.ca_releases_KAPSULA-5FGOODMEASURE-5F3of3.pdf&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=BwEKKzPLdUHIfojBBcw4PN3O97YYW0fasOi23LN38O0&e= >> >> >> Corinne >> >> PS I have artwork about Gregg's ideas from some years ago that got >> buried somewhere in my studio after a move-- when I unearth it I >> will share! >> >> >> >> >> Corinne Diop >> Professor of Art >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_corinne.diop.studio_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=KwQnikKeu_aL_IJaCKzcXiouQheSnbFsIVXtYmyKCZg&e= >> >> Photography Area Head >> http://www.jmu.edu/artandarthistory/programs/Photography.shtml >> >> School of Art, Design, and Art History >> MSC 7101/ 820 S. Main St >> James Madison University >> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >> [log in to unmask] >> (540) 568-6485 >> >> ************* >> JMU Safe Zone Member >> http://www.jmu.edu/safezone >> ________________________________________ >> From: tree of knowledge system discussion >> [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Mark Stahlman >> [[log in to unmask]] >> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:13 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: New Paradigms >> >> John/Joe/Gregg &al: >> >> What Gregg has done here may be the *first* time this has ever been >> accomplished (or perhaps even attempted). While many have >> "philosophized" over all this, Gregg has actually assembled a group >> of experts (which decades of detailed knowledge as well as >> experience arguing with their domain-expert colleagues.) Hurray . . >> . !! >> >> Tree of Knowledge Stack >> >> Culture :: Sociology (Joe) >> Mind :: Psychology (Gregg) >> Life :: Biology (John) >> Matter :: Physics (???) >> >> Does the "lower" define the "upper" or are there new *principles* >> that must be added at each level (or what Gregg calls "dimensions of >> complexity") . . . ?? >> >> In the 19th-century, during what was a very different paradigm from >> the one in which we live Bernhard Reimann suggested what some call >> the "hypothesis of the higher hypothesis" and Georg Cantor generated >> his Transfinite schema in attempts to *rigorously* tackle this >> conundrum. Both of them have largely been forgotten today and this >> was replaced with the notion of a "Theory of Everything" (ToE) and >> "Unity of Science" (as per Carnap &al) in the 20th-century -- as a >> result of the new paradigm in which those scientists lived (but not >> the same one as ours). >> >> "Quantum" physics caught many people's attention and, for a while, >> seemed to be the answer -- but then it failed to produce a ToE and >> dissolved into a group of rival splinters until it was revived by >> some "hippies" who were living under yet-another paradigm (yes, as >> it turns out, I know Jack Sarfatti and he is an entertaining sorta >> guy, whose ideas were enhanced by both some LSD and some >> "conspiracies" that he imagines he was a part of) . . . <g> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_How-2DHippies-2DSaved-2DPhysics-2DCounterculture_dp_039334231X&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=z21gNwg3Phhb8zDjPEWwYZZnnuOW0Vep1M486cPwhDQ&e= >> >> So much for physics -- but wait there is more! The US *military* >> decided it wanted to take some Los Alamos bomb-desingers and shuffle >> them across-the-street to a new place that was called the Santa Fe >> Institute, to see if the physics of nuclear weapons (i.e. >> mini-stars) could be applied to society. The Department of Energy >> (which owns the US arsenal, not the service branches) initially >> funded them 100% (and now it's 30% with another 30% coming from >> Pierre Omidyar). >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.santafe.edu_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=AWiCJq0W3SGK9QXs99_ukwq3kcCNbrSUTQmPezjvzTE&e= >> >> The result was "complexity science" -- re-branding "chaos," since >> that frightens the children -- and its elaborate models of >> "emergence." Some of us from the Center spent last Spring with >> these folks (in particular, Jim Rutt, long-time chairman and now >> trustee at Santa Fe) and I can tell you they don't have a clue (and >> are unlikely to ever get one.) >> >> So, Physics as failed (multiple times). How about Biology or >> Psychology or Sociology? As John tells us, biology is broken. As, >> Gregg tells us, psychology is broken. As Joe tells us, sociology is >> broken. So, what are we going to do . . . ?? >> >> My suggestion is that we take a look at *paradigms* behind these >> approaches and their causes/effects. This is the study of the >> "structure of scientific revolutions" (as per Thomas Kuhn, although >> he never explained either the causes or effects) and, to accomplish >> that task, we will need Marshall McLuhan -- which we will do when >> Gregg returns. >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Structure-2DScientific-2DRevolutions-2D50th-2DAnniversary_dp_0226458121&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=Wjt2pfZZFEZZ8hHd1Gi8N-e6L0fJp0jNpkVaXTqhbOw&e= >> >> To do this, we will have to do something that has been "forgotten" >> for 400+ years -- understand *formal* cause. Fortunately, Aristotle >> is there to help us (since he's the one who came up with this idea >> in the first place, 2500 years ago) and, even more fortuitously, we >> are now in a new paradigm (otherwise, we wouldn't be having this >> conversation). >> >> Mark >> >> P.S. The previous paradigm was characterized by "globalism" and what >> was called the "new world order" (i.e. the one that Kuhn was >> plumping for, as funded by the Ford Foundation) and it has now >> collapsed. Yes, this is what keeps Henry Kissinger awake at night. >> This is why Trump was elected, Briexit occured and the 5 Star >> Movement now runs Italy &c. This is also why we are now in another >> "counter-culture" (parallel to the 60s), since that's what happens >> to *culture* when paradigms shift (over-and-over, making its >> explanation a top priority for a "pure" sociology). This is the >> focus of my Center (and,, yes, I also know John Ralston Saul). >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Collapse-2DGlobalism-2DJ-2DR-2DSaul_dp_1786494485&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=4kvjg0j27G60OZOmJLQm4GmRSyKFwNZpRY6JwkeZ9WY&e= >> >> P.P.S. The "cheerio conspiracy" in all this is that the *center* of >> maintaining that now obsolete paradigm was the Government >> Communications Head-Quarters (GCHQ) which is the foundation of what >> some now call the "Deep State." Edward Snowden had a lot to say >> about them in terms of their acronym, "Five Eyes," making Trump's >> upcoming meeting with the Queen very interesting -- since the "Deep >> State" actually reports to her (yes, making Canada an actual >> national security threat) . . . !! >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Five-5FEyes&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=s3ScNTD00fGwqUNtQsPGQEQcsbcSOwQaTNEYyxaajZA&e= >> >> P.P.P.S. Since our confusion about all this has been going on for a >> long-time, we will have to "drop back" and try to recover what >> previous paradigms -- such as the "Enlightenment" &c -- have >> destroyed. That is the origin of the "motto" on the Center website >> that "Digital *retrieves* the Medieval" and, from ISIS reviving >> *medieval* Jihad, to the Chinese reviving the *medieval* "Silk >> Road," it is already the world in which we live. As Marty McKly put >> it, "Doc, it's time to go back to the future" . . . <g> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Back-5Fto-5Fthe-5FFuture&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=B4o24kuAh19SX2ks1cGJ_arOZDTP30QffE62ZH6ORwI&e= >> >> P.P.P.P.S. What we have to try to avoid, as difficult as it may be, >> is to not behave "like a drunk looking for our carkeys underneath >> the streetlamp, because that's where the light is." The recently >> past paradigms have seriously screwed us up. This is why we are in >> such terrible condition -- which, btw, is not the situation in >> China, where its historic civilization is now the focus of study at >> the Central Party School (where CPC cadre are trained in Beijing) -- >> and *all* of our attempts at "coherence" have failed. But, we're in >> luck, Aristotle is there to help us (which is why Summer School at >> the Center is teaching his 4th-century BC "On the Soul".) >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Soul-2DMemory-2DRecollection-2DAristotle_dp_1888009179&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=tcrM699HyAbsXoXcHy52dE-oXdz66F8YcxXYBoZt4iY&e= >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: >> write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >> or click the following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: > write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > or click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: > write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > or click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1