On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Mark Stahlman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Waldemar:

Great idea -- so, what does "paradigm" mean to you . . . ??

Since the idea (in our context) comes from Thomas Kuhn, have you had a chance to read his book (written in 1958 and finally published in 1962)?

I like to think of this in terms of what most people call "counter-cultures," a paradigm is a technology-driven shift of CULTURE (in the ToK Stack) and when one takes over from another, clashes are always going to happen.

Since I'm 70 (born in 1948 in Boston, the same year my father graduated with a BS from MIT, on his way to an MA in Philosophy and PhD in History of Science), I was 19 years-old in 1967 when I bought a used Porsche 356C and drove it from Madison to Haight-Ashbury (then down the coast to see the Doors play at the Cheetah in LA).  Now *that* was a counter-culture experience . . . <g>

Today -- as reflected in all the political and economic &c upheaval (which Gregg seems very engaged with from what I saw on his site) and endless talk about the *robots* taking over -- we are in the middle of another one (which appear to happen every 50+ years nowadays, driven by new technologies).  So, I'm not "predicting" so much as noticing what is already going on.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_07_09_books_review_future-2Dof-2Dwork-2Ddarrell-2Dm-2Dwest.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=0UR2VYwQ3vSQmQ-K5FB4WmZPxAqBWeJRccvT9-Sv7w8&s=aPRM31jMkEVpgc3_UEv5hnJS7fGdARhy658rxkeFOa8&e=

This is what it feels like when a *new* paradigm (as I understand the term) takes over our lives and it feels like we're all along for the ride . . . !!

Does that help?

Mark

Quoting "Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD" <[log in to unmask]>:

A suggestion:

Perhaps, it would help if we had a brief definition, statement, or synopsis, of what:

1.  John considers to be the central nature of the paradigm he is proposing.
2.  Mark considers to be the central nature of: a. The new paradigm in which we find ourselves and b.  The previous/old paradigm which was replaced by the new paradigm.

That way we could be reassured that we are reading, thinking, talking, and writing about the same things.

Best regards to all,

Waldemar

Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD
(Perseveret et Percipiunt)
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On Jul 10, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi All,
Thanks much for the stimulating contributions. I will offer some thoughts soon, so that perhaps we can sort out where it is where we are standing, both as a group and as individuals who have all been on long and intense journeys trying to figure out some of the most complex problems in philosophy. I think we all have interesting things to say.

Warm regards to all!

Best,
G

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On Jul 10, 2018, at 1:16 PM, Diop, Corinne Joan Martin - diopcj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thank you-- and thank you also for the correction! Cantor has emerged again in a small body of work I am doing on people named Georg(e/es), so I will be sure to look into this intrigue before exhibiting/writing about it again! (The others are Braque, Gurdjieff and Sand...)

Corinne
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Corrine:

Thanks -- fascinating and beautifully done . . . !!

Small correction, if you don't mind.  Galileo's astronomy didn't
really "threaten" anything and his problems with the Church were quite
different from the usual accounts, having more to with his anti-Rome
Venetian backers (btw, my "godfather" Giorgio Desantillana wrote the
one-time "definitive" work on the topic and my father helped to design
what is now the Galileo Museum in Florence) and it was Cantor who
approached Franzelin, who pretty much blew him off (i.e. the Church
really didn't care what he was doing).

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Crime-2DGalileo-2DGiorgio-2DSantillana_dp_0226734811&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=Bfq1ppMS3XgQnnQpYnIZ8wC_97XYRZJRxUuB1rAMdwc&e=

Mark

P.S. The usual reports about G. Bruno's troubles are also mistaken.
It had little to do with his "heresy."  In fact, as best as I can
tell, he was an "agent" of the English spymaster Walsingham and was
caught organizing against the Vatican.  We often forget how much
"intrigue" was going on in those days and how often Rome was on the
receiving end (as well as dishing it out) -- plus how they were
finally defeated in the mid-19th century after many centuries of
declining influence.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Francis-5FWalsingham&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=IYy1BIydW2s5dWUnNTYIYOmAhcjKtdkXhsxHKkAcdVo&e=

Quoting "Diop, Corinne Joan Martin - diopcj" <[log in to unmask]>:

Hi all,

Just sharing some of my artwork that relates a bit :)

"Sizing the Infinite, Seeking Eternity," about Georg Cantor was
done in collaboration with E. Theta Brown, Associate Professor of Math

Cover and pp. 11 – 16. (Photographs and essay.)

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__kapsula.ca_releases_KAPSULA-5FGOODMEASURE-5F3of3.pdf&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=BwEKKzPLdUHIfojBBcw4PN3O97YYW0fasOi23LN38O0&e=


Corinne

PS I have artwork about Gregg's ideas from some years ago that got
buried somewhere in my studio after a move-- when I unearth it I
will share!




Corinne Diop
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https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.facebook.com_corinne.diop.studio_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=KwQnikKeu_aL_IJaCKzcXiouQheSnbFsIVXtYmyKCZg&e=

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John/Joe/Gregg &al:

What Gregg has done here may be the *first* time this has ever been
accomplished (or perhaps even attempted).  While many have
"philosophized" over all this, Gregg has actually assembled a group
of experts (which decades of detailed knowledge as well as
experience arguing with their domain-expert colleagues.)  Hurray . .
. !!

Tree of Knowledge Stack

Culture :: Sociology (Joe)
Mind :: Psychology (Gregg)
Life :: Biology (John)
Matter :: Physics (???)

Does the "lower" define the "upper" or are there new *principles*
that must be added at each level (or what Gregg calls "dimensions of
complexity") . . . ??

In the 19th-century, during what was a very different paradigm from
the one in which we live Bernhard Reimann suggested what some call
the "hypothesis of the higher hypothesis" and Georg Cantor generated
his Transfinite schema in attempts to *rigorously* tackle this
conundrum.  Both of them have largely been forgotten today and this
was replaced with the notion of a "Theory of Everything" (ToE) and
"Unity of Science" (as per Carnap &al) in the 20th-century -- as a
result of the new paradigm in which those scientists lived (but not
the same one as ours).

"Quantum" physics caught many people's attention and, for a while,
seemed to be the answer -- but then it failed to produce a ToE and
dissolved into a group of rival splinters until it was revived by
some "hippies" who were living under yet-another paradigm (yes, as
it turns out, I know Jack Sarfatti and he is an entertaining sorta
guy, whose ideas were enhanced by both some LSD and some
"conspiracies" that he imagines he was a part of) . . . <g>

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_How-2DHippies-2DSaved-2DPhysics-2DCounterculture_dp_039334231X&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=z21gNwg3Phhb8zDjPEWwYZZnnuOW0Vep1M486cPwhDQ&e=

So much for physics -- but wait there is more!  The US *military*
decided it wanted to take some Los Alamos bomb-desingers and shuffle
them across-the-street to a new place that was called the Santa Fe
Institute, to see if the physics of nuclear weapons (i.e.
mini-stars) could be applied to society.  The Department of Energy
(which owns the US arsenal, not the service branches) initially
funded them 100% (and now it's 30% with another 30% coming from
Pierre Omidyar).

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.santafe.edu_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=AWiCJq0W3SGK9QXs99_ukwq3kcCNbrSUTQmPezjvzTE&e=

The result was "complexity science" -- re-branding "chaos," since
that frightens the children -- and its elaborate models of
"emergence."  Some of us from the Center spent last Spring with
these folks (in particular, Jim Rutt, long-time chairman and now
trustee at Santa Fe) and I can tell you they don't have a clue (and
are unlikely to ever get one.)

So, Physics as failed (multiple times).  How about Biology or
Psychology or Sociology?  As John tells us, biology is broken.  As,
Gregg tells us, psychology is broken.  As Joe tells us, sociology is
broken.  So, what are we going to do . . . ??

My suggestion is that we take a look at *paradigms* behind these
approaches and their causes/effects.  This is the study of the
"structure of scientific revolutions" (as per Thomas Kuhn, although
he never explained either the causes or effects) and, to accomplish
that task, we will need Marshall McLuhan -- which we will do when
Gregg returns.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Structure-2DScientific-2DRevolutions-2D50th-2DAnniversary_dp_0226458121&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=Wjt2pfZZFEZZ8hHd1Gi8N-e6L0fJp0jNpkVaXTqhbOw&e=

To do this, we will have to do something that has been "forgotten"
for 400+ years -- understand *formal* cause.  Fortunately, Aristotle
is there to help us (since he's the one who came up with this idea
in the first place, 2500 years ago) and, even more fortuitously, we
are now in a new paradigm (otherwise, we wouldn't be having this
conversation).

Mark

P.S. The previous paradigm was characterized by "globalism" and what
was called the "new world order" (i.e. the one that Kuhn was
plumping for, as funded by the Ford Foundation) and it has now
collapsed.  Yes, this is what keeps Henry Kissinger awake at night.
This is why Trump was elected, Briexit occured and the 5 Star
Movement now runs Italy &c.  This is also why we are now in another
"counter-culture" (parallel to the 60s), since that's what happens
to *culture* when paradigms shift (over-and-over, making its
explanation a top priority for a "pure" sociology).  This is the
focus of my Center (and,, yes, I also know John Ralston Saul).

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Collapse-2DGlobalism-2DJ-2DR-2DSaul_dp_1786494485&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=4kvjg0j27G60OZOmJLQm4GmRSyKFwNZpRY6JwkeZ9WY&e=

P.P.S.  The "cheerio conspiracy" in all this is that the *center* of
maintaining that now obsolete paradigm was the Government
Communications Head-Quarters (GCHQ) which is the foundation of what
some now call the "Deep State."  Edward Snowden had a lot to say
about them in terms of their acronym, "Five Eyes," making Trump's
upcoming meeting with the Queen very interesting -- since the "Deep
State" actually reports to her (yes, making Canada an actual
national security threat) . . . !!

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Five-5FEyes&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=s3ScNTD00fGwqUNtQsPGQEQcsbcSOwQaTNEYyxaajZA&e=

P.P.P.S. Since our confusion about all this has been going on for a
long-time, we will have to "drop back" and try to recover what
previous paradigms -- such as the "Enlightenment" &c -- have
destroyed.  That is the origin of the "motto" on the Center website
that "Digital *retrieves* the Medieval" and, from ISIS reviving
*medieval* Jihad, to the Chinese reviving the *medieval* "Silk
Road," it is already the world in which we live.  As Marty McKly put
it, "Doc, it's time to go back to the future" . . . <g>

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Back-5Fto-5Fthe-5FFuture&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=B4o24kuAh19SX2ks1cGJ_arOZDTP30QffE62ZH6ORwI&e=

P.P.P.P.S. What we have to try to avoid, as difficult as it may be,
is to not behave "like a drunk looking for our carkeys underneath
the streetlamp, because that's where the light is."  The recently
past paradigms have seriously screwed us up.  This is why we are in
such terrible condition -- which, btw, is not the situation in
China, where its historic civilization is now the focus of study at
the Central Party School (where CPC cadre are trained in Beijing) --
and *all* of our attempts at "coherence" have failed.  But, we're in
luck, Aristotle is there to help us (which is why Summer School at
the Center is teaching his 4th-century BC "On the Soul".)

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Soul-2DMemory-2DRecollection-2DAristotle_dp_1888009179&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=8qMQODcDkzHIMIPWHwejYDRD8zDMlzuSjEgeHBa8lGA&s=tcrM699HyAbsXoXcHy52dE-oXdz66F8YcxXYBoZt4iY&e=

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