Here is a very recent talk by Kevin Kelly on what he calls the Mesh, which is the future of the Web. If Kevin isn't generally correct with his 12 forces, or vision of the next 5,000 days of the web, or the Mesh, then can you offer an explanation of an alternative future or reasons why he's wrong? https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D8DprsisgvDw&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2VT2trybn3VwhpjCqU4UFL7kCw8JAJNrFvAYOIiKrpA&s=5a6tuIu178jQeZxyMLnR93ee8LH9PzZaBSpTM9tZvAM&e= On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:28 AM Mark Stahlman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Jamie: > > Good one! Kevin wrote that article in 2009, when people were still > "fanatics" about social media. Then, in 2016, Trump was elected and, > as a result, these *same* people are now running as fast as they can > for the exits . . . !! > > "Wikipedia, Flickr, and Twitter aren't just revolutions in online > social media. They're the vanguard of a cultural movement" (caption on > the 2009 "Global Collectivist Society" Wired article.) > > Dave Kirkpatrick (who once used to take me out for expensive lunches > when I was on Wall Street, paying with his Fortune magazine expense > account) wrote "The Facebook Effect" and, now that no one there will > talk to him, he's calling it the "Facebook Defect." Apparently his > next book is just called "Zuck" (or maybe "Zucktown" or just "Zucky.") > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2018_03_21_technology_facebook-2Dzucktown-2Dwillow-2Dvillage.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=i34lwwtA5RXMDvu5rRhDQeCEwO15I8h6rK6hnahfEoU&e= > > Last year some of us attended a conference at Wharton organized by my > old friend Kevin Werbach. Like Kelly &al, he was once a "fanatic" > about how these technologies would usher in a *utopia* (as promoted at > his "Supernova" conferences) -- only to find out that "utopia" > actually means "no place." His recent event had 20+ speakers on the > same theme about how social media had turned against everyone (and, in > particular, everyone who once wrote things like Kelly and themselves.) > It will become a book soon, named "After the Digital Tornado" -- > reversing the promo he did 20 years ago when he was an "evangelist" at > the FCC. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Digital-2DTornado-2DInternet-2DTelecommunications-2DPolicy_dp_B00HQ7H3YG&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=Ea00vfgmLmEHrkqe0JAPY1sibedlMnzuoLeIJs1oLwE&e= > > Nobody (who is paying attention) agrees with what Kelly wrote in 2009 > anymore. What has become clear is that anything based on an > advertising business-model is a version of TELEVISION and not > *digital* at all. Another of my old friends, Roger McNamee (now a > rich investor and once a student of mine, as well as mentor to > Zuckerberg), has started the "Center for Humane Technology" and is > raising money to get people to leave these platforms altogether. They > describe the problem in these terms: Our society is being hijacked by > technology. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__humanetech.com_problem-23team&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=oimkBsdH570jSbNT9cepjVy-EuIifbL3aEfOQ0oa1mc&e= > > Another old friend of mine, Doug Rushkoff (who has "borrowed" many > ideas from me for his books, many wildly "evangelical" about > technology), is about to publish his "Team Human" -- subtitled "Our > technologies, markets, and cultural institutions -- once forces for > human connection and expression -- now isolate and repress us." -- in > which he takes all of this talk about "socialist revolution" to task > as make-believe promoted by people who never understood the *effects* > of these technologies in the first place . . . !! > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Team-2DHuman-2DDouglas-2DRushkoff_dp_039365169X&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=fsYv_W3COw8SCIuJ_XbAwRc_F5QnxVC80p519n3IZwQ&e= > > Gregg's "Fifth Joint Point" isn't about one of these "no place" > flights of fantasy -- at least as I understand it. If it is, then > like the "transhumanism" you promote on your blog (and resume &c), it > will fail. Miserably. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__moralapex.wordpress.com_recommended-2Dreading_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=fC-PIgbPm1FBRczIkRzSxcG9IbwyVN52JrS6tFPPzwA&e= > > The humans won't put up with it . . . <g> > > Mark > > P.S. To understand how TELEVISION became the *monster* that took over > DIGITAL, you will need Marshall McLuhan. He detailed how one > media-environment becomes the "content" of another in his 1964 > "Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man," based on work he had > been doing in the 1950s. He began with a grant from the Ford > Foundation in 1953, titled "Changing Patterns of Language and Behavior > and the New Media of Communication," which was dealing with > *television* as a follow-up to the 1930s Rockefeller Radio Research > Project -- which, in turn, had been organized as a result of the > paradigm-shift that produced Hilter &al. Today, our corresponding > *digital* shift is producing something quite different -- which, once > again, due to our problems with figure/ground, most people refuse to > understand. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Radio-5FResearch-5FProject&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kMe75TrfEm5i2S2LO5GyHfT0y6eBkCaBvgB2lotZaEY&s=RvhmuA9cRkUdaS9NgORIN6fqvbTR00cVRc8dSoqvZT0&e= > > Quoting Mathew Jamie Dunbaugh <[log in to unmask]>: > > > This article talks about some ideas that relate to Gregg's fifth joint > > point: > > > > The New Socialism: Global Collectivist Society Is Coming Online > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wired.com_2009_05_nep-2Dnewsocialism_&d=DwIBaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=krID2rH5nVNBkOp4EXVIdx1r5_H3IsAntLwEEyaXrL8&s=Pd-bVCEddII0D6QotWq8eScr8x9t4yE8flzRvOfhWxo&e= > > > > ############################ > > > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: > > write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > > or click the following link: > > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: > write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > or click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1