Dear Gregg and Joe,

I feel frustrated the state of affairs within psychology and the social sciences.   I see the discipline of psychology swinging from one hot topic to the next, following the research funding,   I agree that overall  the field is not disturbed by this  lack of coherence, but I consider this a glaring problem.  

I suspect that  this frustration is shared by others in the group and it is one motivation for the effort to develop integrated theory. An integrated theory for psychology and the social sciences would end or reduce the incoherence. If such a theory existed,  investigators would have to position themselves in relation to the theory or develop a new one. The question on my mind how would such a theory be structured?

Gregg — Forgive me if I don’t get this right.  At least one aspect of the development of your theory is to reposition Psychology as the science of mental behaviour, both human and animal mental behaviour. Animal mental behaviour gets us to the evolution of mind and human mental behaviour and the justification hypothesis  gets us to the evolution of culture. The problem for me is that I don’t see the causal steps.  What are the changes  in evolution that take us from life to mind or from mind to culture? For example, the justification hypothesis depends of language. Where does language come from?

If I am correct and you don’t see the lack of causal explanation as critical, how do you see your theory as advancing us from the current state of affairs ?

Nancy


From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Gregg Henriques <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 12:46 PM
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Hi Nancy,

 

  I am uncertain if I am following your question/comment, so I apologize if I am repeating myself. Of course, my personal/theory answer is, yes, we need a theory/framework that includes animal behavior all the way down. But, I was pointing out that there are two issues. One is the ToK version of how psychology should be defined, if we had our language/conceptual system coherently organized around it. And the second isthe way the institution functionally operates in modern society. The two are different.

 

  1. The ToK Version of Psychology

 The ToK states that “psychology” can be defined effectively as a singular entity that also consists of three great branches, basic, human and professional. This argument is spelled out in the chapter, Defining Psychology   from my book. Basic psychology should be, first and foremost, defined as the science of mental behavior (corresponding to the behavior of animals, mediated by the nervous system). This would include comparative psychology, ethology, behavioral ecology, the experimental analysis of behavior of animals in the lab, animal cognition, cognitive/behavioral/affective neuroscience, and all other disciplines of this ilk, including everything to do with animal learning. The attachment describing praying mantis behavior was an analysis of basic mental/psychological behavioral patterns.

 

Then there is human psychology (the science of human/person mental behavior), which is defined by the ToK as a unique branch of basic psychology because humans also operate at the Cultural dimension of behavioral complexity. The third formal, separate branch the profession of psychology, consisting of licensed health service psychologists (what I train and call “psychological doctors”). Here is a visual depiction of these three branches, offering clear parallels with biology (basic psychology), neuroscience (to human psychology) and medicine (to the profession):

  1. The Real/Current world of psychologists

A significant weakness of this conceptual analysis provided by the ToK is that it does not align well with the actual roles and functions of psychologists currently in the world. (It aligns better with how American psychology was organized in 1930s). Thus, a very reasonable critique of my argument goes something like this: “But studying animal behavior is not primarily what psychologists do! Ethology is a generally considered biological discipline and virtually everyone who nowadays researches animal behavior (especially animals like insects!) are biologists by training. So the claim that they should be psychologists fails in practice.”

 

The point I am making here is that there is a tension and a conceptual misalignment between the definition of the field, its history (at least in America), and what modern psychologists are doing (focusing/working almost solely with humans). Given this, then the question becomes what to do about it. I see three main options.

 

One option, the option taken by the field so far, is to ignore it. Psychologists are what they do. We don’t have coherence anyway, the field is working fine by the influence it is accruing and number of majors and so forth. Who cares about such issues? There is no universal way to define these things, etc.

 

Option two and three argue that language coherence matters. However, they take different approaches.

 

Option two is the ToK option that we reclaim the word psychology to refer to mental behavior and stake out that territory. This is what I mean by what I think should happen. (note: I don’t think this will or can happen because of institutional inertia, but in an ideal world, this is what should happen at the level of conceptual coherence).

 

Option three is for psychology to formally get out of the animal behavior/learning business, at least in terms of the subject matter that makes up our identity (i.e., the thing we study). That would be considered a separate cluster of sciences perhaps, the Mind/Brain/Animal Behavior Sciences. In this formulation, psychology would have links to it, but not be formally aligned with it or defined by it. This has the advantage of being pretty much what psychologists are actually doing in society. But it has the disadvantage of disconnecting the field from its foundational conceptual roots.

 

Ok, I hope this makes sense and that I was in the ballpark of clarifying my claims.


Best,
Gregg

 

 

From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Nancy Link
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: Stam's critique

 

Gregg,

 

Thank you for you response. I appreciate that both you and I are intensely interested in this issue. 

 

I gather that what you are saying is that the science of psychology used to be about the study of  human and animal behaviour and now it is about the study of human mental behaviour. 

 

What about all the facts that those scientists gathered on the learning of animals ? Do we just forget them? If we do, are not contributing to the disunity within psychology?

Should not a unified theory for psychology include a bridge that connects animal learning theory to human mentalism?

 

Warm regards,

 

Nancy

 

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Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 9:36 AM
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Subject: Re: Stam's critique

 

Nancy,

 

Interesting point, and one I largely agree with. I did my case study of Maggie in part to demonstrate that the UTUA language game is up to the task of capturing clinical/human phenomena.

 

For me, your point raises the general issue of the identity of psychology and its proper subject matter. From a ToK System perspective, what you are describing is the central interface between human and professional psychology. That is, how does the science of human psychology frame human experience in a way that allows clinicians to operate in the therapy room in a scientifically informed way? I agree that this is, arguably, the most central, pragmatic question of our field.

 

However, I would add a point of clarification. I would not characterize it as the center of the basic science of psychology.  At least from a ToK metaphysical system perspective, the basic science of psychology is concerned with the mental. Mental is a description that characterizes what makes animal behavior so different from that of inanimate objects and organisms like cells and plants. I am particularly attuned to this because I am right in the middle of working on this in my book. Attached is an excerpt clarifying why I say this.

 

For me, the basic science of psychology should be defined as the science of mental behavior. Comparative/Basic psychology is concerned with describing and explaining animal behavior (the functional behavior of the animal as a whole, mediated by the nervous system). Human psychology should be an important/major subdiscipline. The human subdiscipline is what connects to and scientifically informs the profession (which ideally feedbacks and informs the science of human psychology). Now I say “should be” because the institution of psychology can be defined anyway that we psychologists want. I am making this pitch on conceptual grounds to align the field with the (abstract) model provided by the ToK (and a coherent language system more generally).

 

I fully recognized that there is a strong argument against this, which is that this is not how the institution of psychology has evolved, nor does it correspond to how most psychologists currently function. Animal behavior has gone by way of the biologists and comparative psychology is fading fast.  As Stam’s article note, something like 90% of psychologists are in applied domains, at least in the US. And of the meager 10% who are scholars, probably 80-90% of those are interested in humans. So, probably less than 5% of psychologists deal with animals these days. Of course, in the heyday of behaviorism in the 1920-40s, most experimental psychologists were animal behavioral researchers, so it has evolved.

 

The bottom line is that the field faces an identity issue, no matter how you slice it. It is most commonly defined in textbooks as the science of “behavior and mental processes.” If this has any conceptual validity at all, it corresponds to animals in general rather than humans only. And yet, almost all modern psychologists study and help humans. So the field is most definitely off kilter in terms of its alignment. As an institution, if we care about coherence, we need to decide if we are about human or animal mental behavior. Of course, as the Stam article points out, coherence has never been something that the field has achieved and by now, psychologists have habituated to and accepted its absence.     

 

Thanks,
Gregg

 

 

From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Nancy Link
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Stam's critique

 

Hi Gregg,

 

Thank for this article and the discussion.   I agree that the route to the unification of psychology lies in  scientific psychology being able able to address at an abstract level the human phenomena observed within clinical psychology.

 

Nancy

 

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Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 7:35 AM
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Subject: Stam's critique

 

Hi List,

 

  In case anyone is in the mood for some philosophical psychology early on a Tuesday morning, here is a 2015 article I came across yesterday by Hank Stam, who offered a critique of the unified theory back in 2004. This is a similar viewpoint. He is not a fan of attempting to unified the field, ToK style, although he does respect the effort (he was editor of Theory and Psychology and invited me to do a special issue on it in 2008).  

 

Here is the article:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4595780/

 

Here is the most relevant part, at least in relation to a critique of the UTUA approach. I think it is worth being aware of:

 

“But it has meant that from time to time there have been attempts to “unify” psychology under some banner or other so that, at the very least, the stories told to the public by both academics and practitioners would match. The claim is that psychology is not unified and this hurts both its practitioners and its status as a science (Staats, 1991; Henriques, 2008)3. A quick and simplistic comparison is then drawn with the natural sciences wherein physics is taken to be exemplary but even biology will do as a standard. This is then contrasted to psychology’s squabbles and the lack of a consensus on the status of just what is scientific and what counts as pseudo-science and, goes the argument, it is high time to clean up the mess. Some one or another scheme is then proffered for replacing many small but recalcitrant theories in the discipline and this over-riding scheme is usually packaged as superior because of its ability to unite, provide a foundation, or otherwise cohere the many strands that make up the contemporary discipline.

 

Although not numerous, such schemes usually include a list of reasons why this is a problem or why psychology is a “disunified science” in Staats’s (1991) words. After some broad generalizations, lumping all areas of psychology together, a wide variety of propositions or arguments have been put forth to unify the discipline. In Staats’s (1994) case, this was a “unified positivism” or a “psychological behaviorism” depending on what phase of Staats’s career one is reading. Ultimately it was an attempt to fuse multiple areas and features of psychology into a single “unified science.” Others of more recent vintage have attempted to keep these projects alive, or at least to put their personal stamp on such a project for every unification project seems to require that its proponent think through the problem anew. In recent years, Sternberg and Grigorenko (2001), Goertzen (2008) and Henriques (2008) among many others have continued to write on these questions, providing variations on the problem (is there a “crisis” of unification?) and offering numerous solutions (e.g., the “tree of knowledge,”—Henriques, a “unified psychology approach”—Sternberg), and so on (see Stam, 2004 for one critique).

 

The problems with these projects are (i) they are not responses to genuine problems in psychology but an attempt to impose order on disorder from an abstract vantage point, (ii) their relationship to empirical research is thin, and (iii) they rarely amount to more than a singular project or a personal vision of some abstract structures and/or institutional and political processes that might solve the so-called “crisis of disunification” (Green, 2015). But all of these, it is important to note, have also been proposed at a high level of abstraction without solving any particular, single, concrete problem in the discipline. Indeed what characterizes such projects is their considerable remove from the world of minute, everyday psychological phenomena.”

 

Best,
Gregg

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