Hi Jeff, I think we can just agree to disagree about these issues. Best, Gregg From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of JA Martineau Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:30 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: draft blog on Trump Algorithm Gregg, It seems, as a psychologist (Social Scientist) there is a challenge here with “knowledge” or actually “knowing,” rather than imagining or “opinion” formed from other experiences and the environment in which one is formed (the “City” or in our case the Culture created by Television), per Aristotle. Knowledge would require direct experience with someone/something, AND an understanding of the CAUSES. Your blog entry reflects expected “behavior” based upon our prior Paradigm, as reflected in how the “media” must portray the President. Do you know the President, and have you reflected upon on the Causes of why he is depicted as he is by the media? Might this reflect something foundational? New environment and thus a new culture war? To “predict” requires understanding the Causes (Formal, Material, Telos and Kinetic), and “images” based upon experience. The first two, Formal and Material, tend to go together: souls are form and substance. The President has long said he has riden a wave and that his views of the world have been publicly expressed and rather unchanged for 40 years, and then, boom, he gets elected. Social Sciences have no answers beyond the superficial. Which is to say, they don’t understand what Souls are and how they are formed which the leads to habits, predispositions, sensibilities, attitudes and behaviors. My reading is that your blog does not address what is happening to the humans, who have elected across the West persons who Television tried to teach us were the bad guys. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:15 Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Mark: Are you referring to the American Psychiatric Association’s Goldwater rule<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Goldwater-5Frule&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3Y7PvTCoq7DlKjfCn9I6fmhBwy-TX-IQ6FFuaHq4OBM&s=xgAgEThXH9hTDLKtZkD1xFECxjkKrJH_FOV9IfqkfAA&e=>? If so, then that is a swing and a miss. Keep in mind I am a psychologist, not a psychiatrist. And surely as a psychologist I am allowed to comment on people’s behavior. The only iffy area is whether a psychologist can claiming action should be taken as a function of their status as a licensed health professional. Given that framing of the issue, we can see that the blog does nothing of the sort. It simply characterizes what everyone can see in the language of a personality psychologist. Understanding the behavior of individual persons is, after all, my job. Best, Gregg Gregg: As you know, the APA has a rule against "analyzing" anyone without actually taking them on as a "client." I know it's tempting to imagine that you know enough about a person based on how they are portrayed on television but I suspect that is not how you think clinical psychology should actually work in real life . . <g> More importantly, since this is a world leader you're talking about -- who has been the target of relentless 24/7 attacks -- I can tell you that "Trump" and "Algorithms" have *nothing* to do with what is going on in the world today (which, alas, it is my job to understand.) "Racism" is a *meme* that is being deployed by the TELEVISION paradigm because it is desperately trying to hold-on, even though obviously it has become totally obsolete now that we are DIGITAL. None of the memes make any sense anymore. Nike's "Just Do It!" has now turned into a boycott against them. As we wrote more than a year ago, we are living with the "end of memes." As it turns out, yesterday the EU actually passed a law against them (or what most in the Internet think they are). https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_rally-2Dpoint-2Dperspectives_the-2Dend-2Dof-2Dmemes-2Dor-2Dmcluhan-2D101-2D2095ae3cad02&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rG9ldyCLY_blxNmVNHkATP3u_ZUsQRv_uFOxF8AU5NM&s=yeRR2HMCB-3DGCJbBeJqJ9PR8pL738sMyV2a7pSq5IA&e= TELEVISION tried to convince us that there is a "Family of Man," as the ideology behind its "globalist" ambitions. None of that makes any sense any more. Hopefully my posts about China have been helpful to illustrate this "new" reality. Brexit. Italy. Hungary. And now Sweden &c. Trump is only the "symptom" of something much larger. This is a world-wide phenomenon and has little to do with Trump or anyone else's "personality" (or presumed "stage of development.") Welcome to the future (which isn't at all like most people thought it would be) . . . !! Mark ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 -- Jeffrey A. 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