Waldemar,

Not suggesting at all that the Constitution was a fantasy, while quite ambitious in attempting to provide a structure for human actions based upon particular Protestant views of sin, salvation and redemption.  It was part and parcel of the then modern West Print psycho environment, or what Aristotle termed as that which builds upon “by nature,” “the City.” 

Since Lincoln’s harking in the 1850s to get back to the Founding, the Constitution became what Madison and others feared: a “parchment barrier.” 

What was behind the Constitution was the Declaration, and both have morphed over time based upon “the spirit of the Age,” to borrow from Woodrow Wilson.  

The “fantasy” from the perspective of the Founding, is what happened during the Electric Era (which got Lincoln elected, btw) particularly under Television conditions, the notion that America is a Democracy and was intended to be, or should have been, and that the rest of the World needs to follow suit and that we need not actually understand humans - the “black box” of the Soul/psyche/mind - but can simply deal with the effects we see. Thus no need for elites to organize in a democracy where everyone is encouraged to be whatever they feel/want within the context of that paradigm: let the images/memes reign. 

Print and Television are utterly different mediums: one is a form of literacy, thus written appeals to the “opinions” of man, while the other is images and a “story” designed to get us to “act,” or post literacy. The Founders certainly thought they were building upon agreed “knowledge” and reason based upon their understanding of what was printed in texts/books, which was their formation, remembering that the Printing Press Paradigm left out a few things.

Succeeding generations have set aside that understanding based upon how they were later formed under different psychological environments. The Declaration and Constitution, as understood them, for good or ill, are simply not viewed as the “authority” for politics or the culture, so for some they are a “fantasy.” Indeed, the increased push today to get back to those views or to convene a new Constitution Convention, reflect the disconnect over time. As the recent Kavanaugh Television hearings demonstrate, its not about the “Constitution.” 

The More in Common group, which Gregg pointed us to, based upon their staff backgrounds and mission, wants to find the new media story/narrative to keep the now obsolete Television environment of the West going. I dare say that what they view as “common” is not the same as the American Founding’s “natural rights of man.” 

Formation. Simply teaching certain “concepts” based upon a certain “ethic” when the young are “perceiving” something quite different every second of their lives, is whistling past the graveyard, and leaves the field open to others. 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 18:36 [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Apparently, we have some evidence of that already.
Afraid I don’t share your implication that the Constitution is a piece of printed paper or a fantasy.

Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD
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On Oct 19, 2018, at 6:05 PM, JA Martineau <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

A very interesting observation regarding elites Waldemar. 

It seems clear that the American Founding was based upon a collective agreement among the elites that the Printing Press was authoritative regarding how one should organize a state and that the resulting culture was to be defended at all costs: recalling that Jefferson defended the Declaration upon the notion that the ethics within had not sprung from his own as originally but were root and branch of the modern West. Madison, Hamilton and Jay implicitly acknowledged the same in their Federalist defense of the Constitution by way of “opinions” of man. 

Of course, their were “formed” by the “ground” upon which they lived, or the psycho environment of the Printing Press which was the basis of the West at the time. 

These were elites reflecting the ground and attempting to shape a society. 

Indeed, the idea that elites would do just this had been widely known throughout Western History, beginning with Athens and the Elesinian Mysteries (mandatory as was the organic LSD laced drink) with the Carolingian Renaissance being perhaps the most obvious example of “creating” the West by “retrieving” the Grammar or foundations and then devising an education for the very young, the first Grammar school education based upon the Cathedral schools of the time. 

We used to understand that elites came together and made the decisions, based upon the “media” environment or “authority,” of the time, that everyone else lived their lives by: the rules of the road so to speak. This is exactly would Winston Churchill saw himself: of course I lead so that others can simply live their lives and not have to think about things they know nothing about. 

Elite theory used to be a well understood area of study in political sociology (one of my areas of study): Pareto, Mosca, C. Wright Mills, Domhoff, Robert Putnam, Theodor Adorno and James Burnham are some names to think of, as is the notion of the Anglo-American Establishment, the name of Carroll Quigley’s book that Bill Clinton claimed had influence upon him. Burnham is of particular insight in his observations that the West has moved from “class” to “mass” by the early 20th century, though he did not know exactly why (it was the effects of electricity in the forms of the Telegraph and Radio and then Television as the “authority”). Putnam is famous for observing that late 20th century man had gone into their separate rooms (the effects of TELEVISION, as McLuhan described it). 

The notion that the common people would somehow shape or organize a society would have seemed to go against the history of humanity. 

By the 1960s, elites by and large stopped being the societal force they had been, to the chagrin of Nelson Rockefeller. What happened? The effects of TELEVISION on our psyche/minds/formation. To paraphrase Aristotle, “the City” did it! 

Television was both designed and had the effects of killing what we think of as elites as anything more than “opinion” leaders. Which is to say, people that made it into television, but knew virtually nothing other than how to get on television. 

This brings us to the group Gregg has pointed to us today in his blog and associated articles. Who are these people? 

A look at their official bios on their website, which Gregg linked to, tells us exactly what they are up to: Euro/globalist/tech/MEDIA types which much experience in crafting “stories” or narratives. Not surprising. It’s the environment they were formed by in the West. 

This is Plato: man is the fundamental problem and he needs the right stories to undercut his senses. It’s Television: create a new fantasy and we can have peace and buy stuff! It’s Dialectic not Grammar. And in the DIGITAL Paradigm, it does not work (see Soros’ laments), but there is still money to be spent and made on it: Television era Democracy (the con that people are “deciding” and saving themselves in the process).

So it brings up THE fundamental Aristotlian question: what will the “ethics” and “politics” be in the era when the young’s psyche/souls are “formed” by Digital/algorithms/Robots, or Memory, and fantasy/storytelling is rejected? 

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 15:52 [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
A suggestion:

We have and were previously guided by an ideological center - The US Constitution.
But now, we seem to eschew that guide - why?
Perhaps, it is because we, as individuals, have become confused about the nature and place of our own personal beliefs, values, and goals vis-a-vis our own public beliefs, values, and goals.

For instance, I am not in favor of abortion, in general (though I recognize its place and use).
But, I recognize that my personal opinion is different from my public opinion thereon because the choice belongs to another person - because that other person has person-related rights that are not constrained by the Constitution.
In other words, I don’t want to participate but that doesn’t mean that another person might not want or need to do so.
Others, however, seem to feel their personal beliefs, values, and goals trump (pun intended) another person’s beliefs, values, and goals - as well as that other person’s dignity, well-being, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Substitute another “issue” for abortion - such as gay marriage, etc.
The end seems to be the same - you (the other person) have to live by MY rules (ie, you are duty bound to sustain MY worldview) - it’s the OR ELSE that seems to be getting nastier and nastier.
It’s a physics problem, narrow worldviews seem to have immense inertia! and are not malleable.

But, I agree with Andre - we sure don’t seem to be using, or even looking for, an ideological center.

Best regards,

Waldemar


Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD
(Perseveret et Percipiunt)
503.631.8044

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)






On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Marquis, Andre <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Great blog, Gregg. What stands out the most to me is "Unfortunately, there is no clear ideological center for the majority to rally around.” That is what we really seem to need.
andre

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Date: Friday, October 19, 2018 at 9:12 AM
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Subject: Hidden Tribes/More in Common

Hi List,
  I just posted a blog offering a very strong endorsement of a new political report. I STRONGLY encourage EVERYONE to check it out. From my vantage point, it is hitting on a key analysis and solution to one of the great challenges of our day. 
 
Here is my blog:
 
Here is the report:
 
Here is the organization it is from:
 
Here are two other articles on it:
 
Please check this group (More In Common) and report out when you get the time.
 
Here is to achieving a more connected, united, and resilient group!

Best,
Gregg
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