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We had a couple teams at Falls Church do the same thing with accidentally pulling rather push array and getting the extra 4 points as the opposite table pushed. That is always fun to see for both teams to get lints they were not expecting, especially when something else they were does not work. 

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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Sreeni Konanki <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I agree. no issue with robot scoring software at chantilly. Our team push the solar Array to the other team, but on way back, got stuck and pulled back. Since, no team was participating in the adjacent table, our team gets no points. However, if the referee misses observing the other team solar panel, then team may lose a mission as completed. This is responsibility of the team to make sure that the mission is marked complete appropriately, before leaving the table and discuss with referee if there is any difference of opinion.  
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> Thank you all the volunteers and organizers for spending your time for the benefit of kids.
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>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 10:05 AM Todd J Lennox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I personally always made sure my team members knew and understood the scoresheet. First as this reinforced what the requirements were for each mission and then what they should expect to see in the scoresheet depending on the success of the missions they were doing. Remember referees are looking at completed missions not points.  Honestly some of the best referees I have seen and worked with had no idea the number of points a team got at the end of a match.  
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>> As a referee and volunteer I have seen plenty of teams go back to the pits and add up their points wrong then come to the scoring table to question their score to discover they have made a math error.  I see talked points at the table to only make this problem worse. 
>> There are also at times transcriptions from paper to scoring software. 
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>> From what I have seen the former is actually more prevalent than the later. 
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>> FLL had new scoring software (came out of beta just before our competition season began in VADC) this season available  for use by tournaments. This was completely created by volunteers from Israel and Netherlands. It has the capability to utilize tablets for scoring at the tables but it would not change the need for teams to understand whether they did or did not accomplish a mission and utilizes an electronic scoresheet identical to the paper ones. 
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>> We ran this software at Falls Church (1&2) and Chantilly this year (not sure where else it was utilized) without tablets. It worked well. 
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>> We also considered trying the tablets at Falls Church in the end deciding not to because the software was so new (both to FLL and us)but more importantly because we lacked the proper equipment (4 tablets with hand straps).  If we can get the proper equipment (if you are really interested you can help) I would not be surprised if the tournament director would be willing to gave it a shot next year at this location. Falls Church is ideal as the robot game and scoring display are in the same gym. The scoring software, scoreboard, and tablets have to be on the same WiFi network.
>> We ended up setting up our own network for the competitions we used the software as we could not use the school networks. 
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>> For this reason ability to utilize electronic scoring can be based other factors such as equipment to setup a network. The tablets. Distances between activities (where is your robot game being held relative to where scoring is being displayed.)
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>>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 9:16 AM, Sreeram Venkataraman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> I hope one of the things FLL will consider is using an electronic scoring sheet after the rounds. Kids remember expected scores better than actually checking off each mission. 
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>>> If the scores are  lower than expected it is easier to spot the misses.
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>>> I understand kids have to be responsible etc but there is sometimes lot of chaos after a particular round.
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>>> Thanks 
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>>> On Nov 18, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Jeff Borek <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>>> My two cents: I think simplest way to say it is: if you pulled and other team pushed the solar panel you should have received 22 points and they 40.
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>>>> Totally possible refs missed it.  E.g. not related to Solar, but in ours once they missed we had the gas core and once missed we did food production.  (And overall I think our volunteer refs were great - they graciously changed the sheet when it was pointed out to them).
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>>>> Hate to waste learning time having the kids practicing to make sure they understand the scoring sheet [though we spent plenty of learning time having them practice the robot runs], but handling potential errors is a good way for them to learn respectful communication [and not a bad lesson to make sure they completely understand something before signing it].
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>>>>> On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 8:28 AM Ravi Desai <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> We had a question about solar array score that some clarification would help. Our strategy was to pull the panel. In the first round we pulled but got 0 points. Am pretty sure that the other team pushed their panel. Needless the team changed the program to pushing it to be safe. Looking at the mission write up it says potential scores can be 40 as well. Can someone please explain how can that be achieved? 
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>>>>> Mission
>>>>> Solar panels need to be angled toward or away from you, depending on strategy and conditions.
>>>>> Scores
>>>>> Both solar panels are angled toward the same field: 22 (for both teams)
>>>>> Your solar panel is angled toward the other team’s field: 18
>>>>> Possible scores: 0, 18, 22, 40 
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>>>>> Thanks. 
>>>>> RD. 
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