Greetings from the frozen north John (et al.). Thank you for your latest contributions. As ever, I find your work tremendously fascinating. I think I largely agree with your argument. Maybe I'm just struggling with the semantics in some ways. I fully agree with the linkage of energy to the homeostatic processes and the various "survival" mechanisms in nature across all forms of life. And I entirely agree with your argument about cellular efforts to maintain information distinctiveness and energy efficiencies, at least at the theoretical level (I have no applied experience in the field beyond my novice attempts to study life through microscopes as an undergraduate!). Perhaps it's just the fact that, apart from our anthropomorphism, we have just conventionally used the term "consciousness" in conjunction with the presence of the "mind" and mental behavior. But if you're main argument, as I get used to the more complex language you use to describe the biological processes, is that everything biological - from the cellular to the organismic levels - responds to their environments by deploying energy and processing information to maintain organizational continuity (my wording) or homeostasis, then I agree fully. And then, as you've indicated, you can define consciousness & intelligence as linked to these processes as opposed to our usual link to the Mind or "mental behavior." Or maybe I'm must over(under?)-thinking the argument!


Thanks again for sharing some of your latest work. I do think that you and your colleagues have offered a fascinating argument about how to conceptualize the "self" in an even grander fashion. With kind regards, -Joe


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Dear Gregg and Joe, thanks for sharing that clip from Amadeus. Based on my own reduction of 'self' with Bill Miller (see attached; ideally to be read in the context of 'The Singularity of Nature' (see attached), I think that the transactional process between Salieri and Mozart required that both had a strong sense of who they were, because if not, one would have subsumed the other for lack of 'character strength' for lack of a better term. Ideally, they would have struck a homeostatic 'balance' that you are referring to as the + TGB SS. But ultimately I think we have to understand the premise of 'how and why' we exist or this is all just sophistry. Why homeostasis- because it is the mechanism that prevailed post-Big Bang....the 'equal and opposite reaction that ascribes to Newton's Third Law of Motion. I say that because without it there would be no matter, just free, chaotic energy (Alfred North Whitehead's 'Process Philosophy'). So homeostasis is the universal principle behind all matter, inanimate and animate alike. So that would suggest pan-psychism, which we agree seems silly- a rock is not conscious, unless we are defining consciousness as what we humans think it is, but is not.  Cut to the chase, I think that we misconstrue consciousness as being aware of ourselves and our surroundings, but that is an anthropomorphism. All organisms are conscious, it's just a function of their particular environment/Niche as to what it constitutes, which is the endogenization of the external environment, forming physiology by compartmentalizing those features of the Laws of Nature in order to survive and remain in sync with The First Principles of Physiology, which reference the Singularity prior to the Big Bang. So in other words Consciousness is the way in which we and all matter connect with the Cosmos as the entirety of the product of the Singularity/Big Bang. Only then will we understand the + TGB SS, IMHO.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 6:02 AM Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:

Thanks for sharing Gregg. Indeed, I had transcribed the words of the clip and shared these because I thought it represented such an excellent example of what the pursuit of the TGB looks like when, however fleetingly, that occurs unfettered by all the trappings of one's ego. It's below zero here (Fahrenheit), but I already have a warm feeling for the rest of the day! Peace, -Joe


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Hi List,

  Joe M and I were talking yesterday about the nature of Positive True/Good/Beautiful Self-states (+ TGB SS), relative to Negative False/Bad/Ugly Self-States (- FBU SS). He reminded me of the movie Amadeus, and explained why it was such a great illustration of these dynamics (although apparently the movie is not exactly an accurate portrayal of Salieri’s actual relationship to Mozart). In the movie, Salieri struggles with feelings of jealousy, envy and inadequacy, and at the same time, loves the beauty of Mozart.



  Here is a great clip where he makes full contact with that side of the equation and thus you can see and feel the + TGB SS flow…

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  Thanks to Joe who pointed this out to me yesterday.



Best,
G

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