Thank you Waldemar.....I'll have to find another biologic simile. john

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 2:01 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]>
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> Interesting ideas, John.
>
> But, here’s some insight from a former bee keeper.
> the queen “flies away” not out of choice but by having been usurped by a
> new, younger queen.
> The new queen is usually the one who perpetuates the species, as it were,
> whilst the older queen and her few followers might not survive at all,
> having left the hive so full of bodies and nutrients by which to survive
> the coming winter.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Waldemar
>
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> On Apr 27, 2019, at 8:03 AM, JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi List, couldn't agree more with Gregg's synthesis, but would like to add
> one more 'lynchpin', the concept of phenotype as agent (see attached). It
> is essentially the idea that unlike phenotype as the characteristics of the
> organism, it is actually the medium through which epigenetic 'marks' are
> collected to inform the next generation of on-coming change in the
> environment. The former way of thinking about phenotype is descriptive,
> whereas the latter is mechanistic. If you follow that logic, we never leave
> the unicellular state, we just modify the phenotype to obtain information
> in an ever-changing environment. Lewis Carol expressed this idea in Alice
> in Wonderland, the Red Queen running as fast as she could to stay in
> place......think of the biology as a bee hive, the Queen delegating the
> workers to nominally collect pollen, but in reality to collect epigenetic
> data from the environment. Once the Queen is sated, she flies away, the
> hive collapses, and she forms another hive......the Queen is like the
> zygote, which must be informed in order to perpetuate the species. Hope
> that made sense. Withthebestofintentions, John
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 8:38 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
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>> Hi List,
>>
>>   There was an interesting exchange on Alexander Bard’s list on what was
>> termed “vectors of emergence”. It turned out that a few weeks ago, I was
>> brainstorming with that idea. Attached is the pp I generated a few weeks
>> ago, that happened to be called “Vectors of Emergence.” For those who are
>> following my language system, the iQuad concept is my representation of the
>> “digital singularity” at the fifth joint point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is how I described it on the other list:
>>
>>
>>
>>   The Tree of Knowledge System is an emergent naturalist metaphysical
>> approach to the empirical universe. Aligning with modern science, it
>> describes the universe as an unfolding wave of behavioral complexity, and
>> it follows from this that behavior, complexity, change, emergence are all
>> central, foundational concepts that we use to map the universe. The ToK
>> argues that there are four “Great” emergences. Matter from Energy, Life
>> from Matter, Mind from Life, and Culture from Mind. The metaphysics of the
>> ToK gives rise to what I call “The Periodic Table of Behavior” which is a
>> taxonomy of behavioral kinds (i.e., kinds of behaviors in the universe that
>> we can empirically study from a modern science perspective).  A new feature
>> of the ToK/PTB is that it divides complexity into both levels and
>> dimensions, rather than a single dimension.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Gregg
>>
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