Thank you Waldemar.....I'll have to find another biologic simile. john On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 2:01 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Interesting ideas, John. > > But, here’s some insight from a former bee keeper. > the queen “flies away” not out of choice but by having been usurped by a > new, younger queen. > The new queen is usually the one who perpetuates the species, as it were, > whilst the older queen and her few followers might not survive at all, > having left the hive so full of bodies and nutrients by which to survive > the coming winter. > > Best regards, > > Waldemar > > *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* > (Perseveret et Percipiunt) > 503.631.8044 > > *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* > > On Apr 27, 2019, at 8:03 AM, JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi List, couldn't agree more with Gregg's synthesis, but would like to add > one more 'lynchpin', the concept of phenotype as agent (see attached). It > is essentially the idea that unlike phenotype as the characteristics of the > organism, it is actually the medium through which epigenetic 'marks' are > collected to inform the next generation of on-coming change in the > environment. The former way of thinking about phenotype is descriptive, > whereas the latter is mechanistic. If you follow that logic, we never leave > the unicellular state, we just modify the phenotype to obtain information > in an ever-changing environment. Lewis Carol expressed this idea in Alice > in Wonderland, the Red Queen running as fast as she could to stay in > place......think of the biology as a bee hive, the Queen delegating the > workers to nominally collect pollen, but in reality to collect epigenetic > data from the environment. Once the Queen is sated, she flies away, the > hive collapses, and she forms another hive......the Queen is like the > zygote, which must be informed in order to perpetuate the species. Hope > that made sense. Withthebestofintentions, John > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 8:38 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> There was an interesting exchange on Alexander Bard’s list on what was >> termed “vectors of emergence”. It turned out that a few weeks ago, I was >> brainstorming with that idea. Attached is the pp I generated a few weeks >> ago, that happened to be called “Vectors of Emergence.” For those who are >> following my language system, the iQuad concept is my representation of the >> “digital singularity” at the fifth joint point. >> >> >> >> Here is how I described it on the other list: >> >> >> >> The Tree of Knowledge System is an emergent naturalist metaphysical >> approach to the empirical universe. Aligning with modern science, it >> describes the universe as an unfolding wave of behavioral complexity, and >> it follows from this that behavior, complexity, change, emergence are all >> central, foundational concepts that we use to map the universe. The ToK >> argues that there are four “Great” emergences. Matter from Energy, Life >> from Matter, Mind from Life, and Culture from Mind. The metaphysics of the >> ToK gives rise to what I call “The Periodic Table of Behavior” which is a >> taxonomy of behavioral kinds (i.e., kinds of behaviors in the universe that >> we can empirically study from a modern science perspective). A new feature >> of the ToK/PTB is that it divides complexity into both levels and >> dimensions, rather than a single dimension. >> >> >> Best, >> Gregg >> >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 <Phenotype as > Agent.pdf> > > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1