Hi John, I think I’m starting to better understand what you are saying. Let me see if I can repeat what you are talking about, to see if I’m starting to understand. Darwinian evolution models only really model things like achieving more offspring. Whereas considering cell-cell communication in embryologic development as central better models homeostasis superimposed on phylogeny. This is a better way to understand the process of evolution. I still have a question for you, about what you mean when you say: “perhaps we see *'red'* when we are writhing in pain because it references bleeding as a process related to pain”. I understand what you mean, abstractly. But I have no idea what you mean, qualitatively. In order to know what red means, qualitatively, you must tell me which physical quality it is a label for. Since you never do this, I can’t know what you mean, qualitatively, when you use the term *“red”.* So that is my question, which physical quality do you consider red to be a label for? On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:10 AM JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Gregg, Brent, Aeon and List, if I could just jump in here, much of > what is being said by all needs IMHO to be reconsidered in light of the > difference between descriptive and mechanistic Biology/Physiology. So for > example, semiotics is a description of what I have been referring to with > respect to the centrality of cell-cell communication in embryologic > development and homeostasis superimposed on phylogeny as the way to > understand the process of evolution. That's very different from Darwinian > evolution based on a reproductive strategy for more offspring, which is a > materialistic viewpoint. In terms of Brent's quest for answering the 'Hard > Question' of Qualia, I think the answer lies in the way I have recalibrated > Pleiotropy, the capacity of biology to recombine/repermute the same gene > for multiple purposes over the course of evolution. Up until now that > phenomenon has remained a fascinoma, but seen in the context of evolution, > it is explained by the pre-adaptational strategy of reutilizing genes under > duress as the most economical way of solving existential problems > evolutionarily. In the context of Qualia, perhaps we see 'red' when we are > writhing in pain because it references bleeding as a process related to > pain, the two processes being linked through common cellular-molecular > signaling mechanisms. As for Aeon, I fully ascribe to the idea that we need > to address how to re-synthesize philosophy and empiricism if I am correct > in thinking that we've gotten evolution 'backwards' and that the > unicellular state is the primary level of selection based on the emerging > knowledge of epigenetic inheritance. With the Best of Intentions. John > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 7:42 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> A friend sent this essay in Aeon on the relationship between philosophy >> and science and the need to return to a natural philosophy approach: >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aeon.co_essays_bring-2Dback-2Dscience-2Dand-2Dphilosophy-2Das-2Dnatural-2Dphilosophy-3Futm-5Fsource-3DAeon-2BNewsletter-26utm-5Fcampaign-3D16c95a1325-2DEMAIL-5FCAMPAIGN-5F2019-5F05-5F13-5F03-5F04-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-26utm-5Fterm-3D0-5F411a82e59d-2D16c95a1325-2D69915925&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=GnK1lJEg9koCEcUo4F_TkvqIf7yW84J3Z6CBWZov5TM&s=tGqK4f1sfMJNMPwlgtss5qJL7LHqLSqTTlsNcLtXMgA&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aeon.co_essays_bring-2Dback-2Dscience-2Dand-2Dphilosophy-2Das-2Dnatural-2Dphilosophy-3Futm-5Fsource-3DAeon-2BNewsletter-26utm-5Fcampaign-3D16c95a1325-2DEMAIL-5FCAMPAIGN-5F2019-5F05-5F13-5F03-5F04-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-26utm-5Fterm-3D0-5F411a82e59d-2D16c95a1325-2D69915925&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=dFVdlOFuFfkQC0g6biXlvVLZsP2vJxZfvnsSXc39KVU&s=0_AzQ9yI47iQK9ucAwT5NR2XIcx2ABsrsNB05yuKWPY&e=> >> >> >> >> I am on Maxwell’s Friends of Wisdom list as I became aware of his work >> several months ago. It is a similar, although also different vision for >> philosophy and science than the ToK System offers. >> >> >> Best, >> G >> >> ___________________________________________ >> >> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. >> Professor >> Department of Graduate Psychology >> 216 Johnston Hall >> MSC 7401 >> James Madison University >> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >> (540) 568-7857 (phone) >> (540) 568-4747 (fax) >> >> >> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* >> >> Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=GnK1lJEg9koCEcUo4F_TkvqIf7yW84J3Z6CBWZov5TM&s=9erpMfUIt57BtWHFZchHr5ZWCaInYSJu4jeTm8dlnVY&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=dFVdlOFuFfkQC0g6biXlvVLZsP2vJxZfvnsSXc39KVU&s=hPnpDpg37-IlprEcDtCmrkgtNgPexNBHLnt_yDLVIXo&e=> >> >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1