Blood On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:15 PM Brent Allsop <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi John, > > > > I think I’m starting to better understand what you are saying. Let me see > if I can repeat what you are talking about, to see if I’m starting to > understand. > > > > Darwinian evolution models only really model things like achieving more > offspring. Whereas considering cell-cell communication in embryologic > development as central better models homeostasis superimposed on > phylogeny. This is a better way to understand the process of evolution. > > > > I still have a question for you, about what you mean when you say: “perhaps > we see *'red'* when we are writhing in pain because it references > bleeding as a process related to pain”. I understand what you mean, > abstractly. But I have no idea what you mean, qualitatively. In order to > know what red means, qualitatively, you must tell me which physical quality > it is a label for. Since you never do this, I can’t know what you mean, > qualitatively, when you use the term *“red”.* > > > > So that is my question, which physical quality do you consider red to be a > label for? > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:10 AM JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Dear Gregg, Brent, Aeon and List, if I could just jump in here, much of >> what is being said by all needs IMHO to be reconsidered in light of the >> difference between descriptive and mechanistic Biology/Physiology. So for >> example, semiotics is a description of what I have been referring to with >> respect to the centrality of cell-cell communication in embryologic >> development and homeostasis superimposed on phylogeny as the way to >> understand the process of evolution. That's very different from Darwinian >> evolution based on a reproductive strategy for more offspring, which is a >> materialistic viewpoint. In terms of Brent's quest for answering the 'Hard >> Question' of Qualia, I think the answer lies in the way I have recalibrated >> Pleiotropy, the capacity of biology to recombine/repermute the same gene >> for multiple purposes over the course of evolution. Up until now that >> phenomenon has remained a fascinoma, but seen in the context of evolution, >> it is explained by the pre-adaptational strategy of reutilizing genes under >> duress as the most economical way of solving existential problems >> evolutionarily. In the context of Qualia, perhaps we see 'red' when we are >> writhing in pain because it references bleeding as a process related to >> pain, the two processes being linked through common cellular-molecular >> signaling mechanisms. As for Aeon, I fully ascribe to the idea that we need >> to address how to re-synthesize philosophy and empiricism if I am correct >> in thinking that we've gotten evolution 'backwards' and that the >> unicellular state is the primary level of selection based on the emerging >> knowledge of epigenetic inheritance. With the Best of Intentions. John >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 7:42 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> A friend sent this essay in Aeon on the relationship between >>> philosophy and science and the need to return to a natural philosophy >>> approach: >>> >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aeon.co_essays_bring-2Dback-2Dscience-2Dand-2Dphilosophy-2Das-2Dnatural-2Dphilosophy-3Futm-5Fsource-3DAeon-2BNewsletter-26utm-5Fcampaign-3D16c95a1325-2DEMAIL-5FCAMPAIGN-5F2019-5F05-5F13-5F03-5F04-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-26utm-5Fterm-3D0-5F411a82e59d-2D16c95a1325-2D69915925&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=BC1PKuQUwnNAj3efFz8rhyYVtsGQPsWSFS_zBAZWBfw&s=30WVO7OemdOrBB2XWryRYc91otazjj3lnYgDW1rjlVo&e= >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aeon.co_essays_bring-2Dback-2Dscience-2Dand-2Dphilosophy-2Das-2Dnatural-2Dphilosophy-3Futm-5Fsource-3DAeon-2BNewsletter-26utm-5Fcampaign-3D16c95a1325-2DEMAIL-5FCAMPAIGN-5F2019-5F05-5F13-5F03-5F04-26utm-5Fmedium-3Demail-26utm-5Fterm-3D0-5F411a82e59d-2D16c95a1325-2D69915925&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=dFVdlOFuFfkQC0g6biXlvVLZsP2vJxZfvnsSXc39KVU&s=0_AzQ9yI47iQK9ucAwT5NR2XIcx2ABsrsNB05yuKWPY&e=> >>> >>> >>> >>> I am on Maxwell’s Friends of Wisdom list as I became aware of his work >>> several months ago. It is a similar, although also different vision for >>> philosophy and science than the ToK System offers. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> G >>> >>> ___________________________________________ >>> >>> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. >>> Professor >>> Department of Graduate Psychology >>> 216 Johnston Hall >>> MSC 7401 >>> James Madison University >>> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >>> (540) 568-7857 (phone) >>> (540) 568-4747 (fax) >>> >>> >>> *Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity.* >>> >>> Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at: >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=BC1PKuQUwnNAj3efFz8rhyYVtsGQPsWSFS_zBAZWBfw&s=pk1wn7Nz44rFPPFoHqUcovYZq7hb6sqcoT6JIshZI4U&e= >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=dFVdlOFuFfkQC0g6biXlvVLZsP2vJxZfvnsSXc39KVU&s=hPnpDpg37-IlprEcDtCmrkgtNgPexNBHLnt_yDLVIXo&e=> >>> >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >>> following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1