Just for fun I looked up the dictionary definition of 'determinism': the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will- which is essentially the way I was using the term......j On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 1:53 PM JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Peter and TOK, I see your point. I am not a philosopher, so please forgive > my terminology. I am using the term 'determined' relative to 'Free Will' or > 'Choice'. As I had indicated previously, I have formulated the First > Principles of Physiology based on the reverse-engineering of evolution. > Those principles must be adhered to, and for example I think that's why we > return to the unicellular state over the course of the life cycle as the > reference point, or 'point source' (actually, I don't think we leave it > because it is necessary that we adhere to the ontologic origins of life). > Perhaps comparison with Pauli Exclusion Principle would be helpful- there > are 4 variables for calculating the spin on an electron; the first three > are fixed, whereas the fourth one is probabilistic....I have expressed the > idea that this is homologous with the First Principles of Physiology, > negentropy and chemiosmosis being 'fixed', whereas homeostasis is > probabilistic. In biology, the term 'constrained' is often used, so > perhaps that's more like what I am referring to. I would appeciate your > thoughts. Best, John > > On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 11:17 AM Peter Lloyd Jones < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> John, and TOK, >> Thank for for your exceptionally thoughtful and inspiring note. I’m >> hopeful that you can continue to afford my questions. I am out of my ilk >> here. >> >> Can you please tell me if you think we might be using the term >> “determinism” or “deterministic" differently from each other? Events can >> have causes, and some events have definitive causes, but does that ever >> mean that the outcome is determined as in predetermined to only have one >> possible outcome. >> >> For example, a system of negentropy provides a predetermined *type* of >> result, as in the ordering of a solar system and, as you mentioned, the >> evolution of organisms. But can the specific results--how many planets are >> formed, how many of them are gas giants, and so forth--not remain beyond >> prediction and be not predetermined? In other words, is there space >> between a "determined type” of result, such as an ordered solar system, and >> a specific result, such as planet Earth? >> >> Thank you again for your patience with me, >> Peter >> >> >> Peter Lloyd Jones >> [log in to unmask] >> 562-209-4080 >> >> Sent by determined causes that no amount of will is able to thwart. >> >> >> >> On May 21, 2019, at 9:57 AM, JOHN TORDAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Schrodinger, What is Life? >> >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1