Some people talk about UBS: Universal Basic Services, which I find interesting: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__universalbasicservices.org_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=SbQZZVxKbIdklX_8nWcM2jBgRgVkYv09VOPhlPyQGFo&s=EhwEQftuBMt-FUCVqXq3Gmln-ZC2sM4D61Y0odX2pQc&e= - haven't googled it in a while; that was the first thing that came up. / Lene On 08-10-2019 12:53, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: > > Thanks, Jason and Lene. > > One area of my background and knowledge that is woefully inadequate is > macro-economics and governmental policy. So, I am outside my > wheelhouse in analyzing those things. I did worry about a number of > things with UBI, including inflation. And I was arguing with my > brother about why income should be contingent and incentivized in a > particular direction. I too felt the VAT was not the right idea, as it > clearly was a neoliberal frame on domains that needed to be protected > from being economically incentivized. (We don’t want to pay people for > being good and caring). > > That said, I shared the podcast and was excited about it because at > the VALUES level, he had, IMO, the right kind of “sensibility”. That > is, he positioned himself to be outside the traditional political fray > and polarization (he has some T shirts on Humanity First, and Not Left > or Right But Forward), was someone who both appreciated what > capitalism has accomplished and recognized that we need to consider > ourselves in late stage capitalism, was concerned about the > environment but was not an eco-moralist, saw the need for altering our > social values and creating a much more workable safety net, but did > not villainize people (wall street barons, white working class poor) > that the left often does. > > Jason, can you share links about the Federal Job Guarantee? That > sounds interesting. > > Best, > Gregg > > *From:*tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Lene Rachel Andersen - > Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 8, 2019 5:58 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: podcast with Andrew Yang > > Haven't had time to listen to the podcast but love to discover another > UBI opponent! > > I am convinced that UBI is one of the worst ideas ever. > > Now I have to listen to the podcast... :-D > > Best, > > Lene > > On 07-10-2019 23:02, nysa71 wrote: > > I am thoroughly opposed to Yang based on just his awful UBI and > VAT ideas alone. Basically, it's just neoliberalism dressed up as > progressivism, and is nothing but a Trojan Horse that'll > ultimately hurt the poor and working class. > > A standalone UBI would most certainly be inflationary, which hurts > the poor the most. But he proposes tethering the UBI to a VAT > which, (besides being a bureaucratic nightmare), is ultimately > regressive, since such a tax would be passed onto consumers by > embedding it within the final price of goods. > > So essentially, the poor will end up paying for the UBI with the UBI. > > On top of that, Yang's proposal will ultimately be used as a > /justification/ for cutting other social programs, (e.g., Social > Security, SNAP, etc.) > > I 100% support the Federal Job Guarantee as an alternative --- a > much a more solid macroeconomic proposal. A full employment > program. Federally funded, but locally managed. Since dollars are > added to the economy coupled with real output, there's minimal > inflationary risk. And it's a counter-cyclical, automatic > stabilizer, (as opposed to the UBI, a pro-cyclical, automatic > de-stabilizer). > > Yang's ideas aren't just wrong. They're dangerous. > > ~ Jason Bessey > > On Monday, October 7, 2019, 12:22:55 PM EDT, Helen Wu > <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I just want to say that Andrew Yang is awesome. > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 8:01 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Hi TOK List, > > I visited my brother Mark over the weekend and we were talking > about new political movements and he shared with me this > freakeconomics podcast by Andrew Yang, which I found to be of > interest: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freakonomics.com_podcast_andrew-2Dyang_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=SbQZZVxKbIdklX_8nWcM2jBgRgVkYv09VOPhlPyQGFo&s=WHlmm4klx8a9yrI-pyUH3PWP7DatkZSFChpeGGqxrvw&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__freakonomics.com_podcast_andrew-2Dyang_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=J5WqvYx-y9_Nl0ucd7CVHt3C-cLi8pNq9tVAvBXwyaQ&s=Se-OexG4oDoZXAAVDg2fAQGk2u1TFKQTcxwTLjt7__g&e=>, > so I thought I would share. > > Best, > Gregg > > ___________________________________________ > > Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. > Professor > Department of Graduate Psychology > 216 Johnston Hall > MSC 7401 > James Madison University > Harrisonburg, VA 22807 > (540) 568-7857 (phone) > (540) 568-4747 (fax) > > > /Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity./ > > Check out my Theory of Knowledge blog at Psychology Today at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=SbQZZVxKbIdklX_8nWcM2jBgRgVkYv09VOPhlPyQGFo&s=I50RTHl0rRnYuDcQCqWUJIiAEQMAYOVSCuR8_MPYQMw&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_blog_theory-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=J5WqvYx-y9_Nl0ucd7CVHt3C-cLi8pNq9tVAvBXwyaQ&s=5u0ROnPA3Epx4lVrByNSyz9WH-jb_Eah4f9CAXkJpcQ&e=> > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> > or click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1