Hi Gregg,

I like that diagram. It certainly is conducive to the spirit of the ToK that connections can be made between the ToK and both Freud and Jung.

You raise an interesting point about the Anima / Animus that I've thought about for awhile. Jung's conception of associating the two concepts with feminine/masculine, particularly in relation to transgender identity, raises some issues. Plus, Jung's thought here seems to arguably be a significant reflection of the gender/cultural biases of his time.

 He may have been better off making a connection with his "Thinking / Feeling" dichotomy that he elaborated on in Psychological Types. 

From data I've seen, there's no significant gendered distribution with his dichotomous traits except for the Thinking / Feeling traits --- that is, males tend to be "thinking types", and females tend to be "feeling types", but (of course) not always. (Whether the reason for this is biological, social conditioning, or some "mix" of both is a whole other issue, though I suspect it's a "mix").

So perhaps it would've made more sense (at least in the context of Jung's overall thought) to associate animus with thinking, and anima with feeling, thus "thinking types" would tend to be male (but not always) with a "feeling" anima, and "feeling types" would tend to be female (but not always) with a "thinking" animus. 

In this sense, it might also be easier to conceive of the anima./ animus as being ego-syntonic insofar that the anima/animus needs to be reintegrated with the ego. 

I'll end this with a question: isn't the Experiential Self essentially associated with the Influence Matrix?

~ Jason

On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 08:52:05 AM EST, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Hi Jason,

  Thanks for this analysis. Also, I am happy to say that the blog did well. It is now most popular with over 12,000 hits in under 24 hours. In the all important new “attention economy” I am now winning and getting capital 😊…It also is a reminder that there is a difference between blogs I write for me (like understanding psychology’s metaphysical problems) and blogs I write for the audience 😊.

 

Also, here is a diagram that shows that I basically would agree with all you write here, with a few minor qualifications. For example, animus/anima may or may not be ego syntonic (think transgendered individuals). Same with the persona…perhaps we can say that it will feel like it is a persona when there is tension and a sense of the impression given being ego dystonic. But that would need some fleshing out. I often manage my impressions in very “ego syntonic” ways, if that makes sense.  

 

 

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Hi Gregg,

Nice blog!

As I read it, I think of how a Jungian 4-part model of the psyche works, as well:

Persona
Ego
Shadow
Anima/Animus

I think your tripartite model corresponds well with this:

Public Self  = Persona (which you explicitly stated)
Private Self = Ego (which I think you at least implied)                               
Experiential Self = Shadow + Anima/Animus

I think you implied the Shadow part of the Experiential Self with your statement, "...some times the dark parts of our selves 'leak out' in ways we are not aware of."

So the Public Self/Persona negotiates the tension between the Private Self/Ego and the social context, (there's some "splitting off" there).

But the Private Self/Ego negotiates the tension between Public Self/Persona and the Shadow (part of the Experiential Self), and the Shadow gets projected onto others via the Public Self / Persona: "...[Kathy]  has now 'split off' her feelings and projected them into the environment".

The Private Self / Ego is "split off" from the Anima/Animus (the other part of the Experiential Self), And the Shadow "blocks the two", thus it must be dealt with in order to stop projecting onto others and thus begin the process of reintegrating the two.

I would also add that the Persona and Ego are conscious, and the Shadow and Anima/Animus are unconscious, (which you basically alluded to) --- however, I would also say that the Ego & Anima/Animus are Ego syntonic, and the Persona & Shadow are Ego dystonic.

Thoughts?
~ Jason

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