Hi Waldemar,
I just realized that something crucial is missing: aesthetics; the
symbolic world and beauty - see below
On 26-04-2020 19:05, Waldemar Schmidt wrote:
> Lene:
>
> I am very much taken by the Bildung concept.
> In particular, I am interested in understanding the fundations of the
> concept - the benefits are abundantly clear!
> Accordingly, I have added your comments to mine, to produce a
> conceptualization of that upon which Bildung is founded:
>
> Bildung is founded upon:
>
> * Education.
> o Formal.
> o Informal, such as:
> + Existential knowledge:
> # Everyday knowledge - interaction of the self with
> the world, such as:
> * Cooking, riding a bicycle, using social media,
> cleaning, doing minor repairs, traffic rules, etc.
> # Intersubjective knowledge:
> * Social norms - interaction of the self with
> other/’s, such as:
> o Dress codes, social etiquette, etc.
>
+ Aesthetics, that which allows expression beyond verbal
language, such as
# Music
# Visual arts
# Poetry, literature
# Rituals?
> * Emotional maturity.
> * Moral maturity.
>
>
> Please excuse my compulsion to classify - probably reflects my
> Germanic genes.
> If the opportunity to do so arises, I would very much appreciate any
> comments you might wish to share.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Waldemar
>
> */Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD/*
> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
> 503.631.8044
>
> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung /
>> Fremvirke <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Waldemar - and everybody else.
>>
>> The 3 components are absolutely right, but there are at least two more:
>>
>> * practical, everyday knowledge, i.e. cooking, riding a bicycle,
>> using Facebook, cleaning, fixing a clogged sink, knowing the
>> traffic rules
>> * social norms, i.e. dress code, holding doors (or not holding
>> doors), how to address people at work or at home, not telling
>> jokes at funerals, and (in the old days) shaking hands.
>>
>> / Lene
>>
>> On 21-04-2020 17:52, Waldemar Schmidt wrote:
>>> Dear Friends:
>>>
>>> I would like to return to something that Lene wrote, and I
>>> paraphrase (please correct me as needed, Lene):
>>>
>>> Bildung has 3 components:
>>>
>>> * Formal education.
>>> * Emotional maturity.
>>> * Moral maturity.
>>>
>>>
>>> The “etiologic agent” for us (humanity) being where we find
>>> ourselves is */not/* nCoV-2, covid19, or Donald Trump, Sr.
>>> The problem exists because wer are only paying lip service to
>>> education - perhaps for the past century.
>>> We have an huge problem, the problem of fixing which is going to
>>> take both persistence and time.
>>>
>>> If Bildung is an (the?) answer, then we need to be very, very
>>> careful about that which we place in those little minds.
>>>
>>> The educators’ “content” is the real first responder.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Waldemar
>>>
>>> */Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD/*
>>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt)
>>> 503.631.8044
>>>
>>> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)*
>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
>>>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi TOK List,
>>>> I share here three very different analyses regarding the current
>>>> state of our country and globe.
>>>> The first offers a conservative, pro-American view that our way of
>>>> life was going along fine. The ball games, the economy, the general
>>>> prosperity were neglected by doomsayers and the critical noise of
>>>> the media. It says we need to embrace that “success” and return to
>>>> normalcy post virus:
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thefederalist.com_2020_04_20_our-2Dgoal-2Dmust-2Dbe-2Da-2Dtotal-2Dreturn-2Dto-2Dnormal_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jy6XpwS14nqI9yXpUo8cS0WQlu945MuxaUy0g9P685U&s=jzmwDGBLxrVTkRDeThoP3r-NTwVGZqIS0olH-MTyze4&e=
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thefederalist.com_2020_04_20_our-2Dgoal-2Dmust-2Dbe-2Da-2Dtotal-2Dreturn-2Dto-2Dnormal_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=7a5CAC2qJw4kuXc0vEC1HM2Ml31uQX_vgRyixhpHoT8&s=3slhZ7nuffZBO3XMj1Xi9YUIxGvPjpIJ0CyShmnck8o&e=>
>>>> The second argues that there were many “pre-existing conditions”
>>>> that were afflicting our country and the virus simply revealed
>>>> them. We are struggling, our institutions are failing us, and we
>>>> need a return to sane governance and good policies that create a
>>>> much more stable, well-functioning system:
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_the-2Datlantic_we-2Dare-2Dliving-2Din-2Da-2Dfailed-2Dstate-2D8fff80f2dc89&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jy6XpwS14nqI9yXpUo8cS0WQlu945MuxaUy0g9P685U&s=twhlnhVm885nq0fO_OkoCSAlOdg0Uu_qG8jcnazJqr0&e=
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_the-2Datlantic_we-2Dare-2Dliving-2Din-2Da-2Dfailed-2Dstate-2D8fff80f2dc89&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=7a5CAC2qJw4kuXc0vEC1HM2Ml31uQX_vgRyixhpHoT8&s=iVw3bFys0Qdlq9uFH6FKB_iRk84Ux2yl07NaSwGHWo4&e=>
>>>> The third is more radical. It is an interview that includes TOK
>>>> Society member Zak Stein and invites us to consider our global
>>>> trajectory to be deeply and existentially misguided. The message
>>>> here is that we need to seize the Kairos of the moment and reassess
>>>> our fundamental values and metaphysics and re-emerge with
>>>> fundamentally new sense and meaning making systems and new ways of
>>>> being in the world:
>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dm-5Fc2-2DBs1BqM&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jy6XpwS14nqI9yXpUo8cS0WQlu945MuxaUy0g9P685U&s=FmqT1R23L2JDrUxZL_WqXT_FbpZSidw2ynb3D77UR5k&e=
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dm-5Fc2-2DBs1BqM&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=7a5CAC2qJw4kuXc0vEC1HM2Ml31uQX_vgRyixhpHoT8&s=gK9BzsHS7XO23TtXHgqX9NVVhrmC1pCunn31lNaNHrM&e=>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gregg
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