Hi Catherine, Good question, thank you. There are two sets of issues, the second with two sub-sets of issues: 1. Things that went wrong in childhood and have lasting consequences 2. Things that went wrong in adulthood 1. Individual issues 2. Societal issues The 2-2 societal issues must be addressed politically and culturally, not as mental health / illness. / Lene On 27-04-2020 17:01, Wilson, Katherine Christine - wilso3kc wrote: > As I am following this conversation, I find myself a bit confused. > > I am understanding that people are saying that we should not view > mindsets that lead to becoming a child soldier or "social distancing > protestor" as stemming from mental illness, but rather from societal > inequities. However, are not most mental illnesses often the result of > some inequity, trauma, repression, suppression, power dynamic, or > developmental challenge due to lack of proper care, education, and > access to basic core needs being met? I am not understanding how an > individual who becomes borderline or depressed as an adult, after a > childhood that involves abuse, rape, poverty, and/or neglect, is > different from someone who protests in the streets as a result of job > insecurity, xenophobic upbringings, and poor education? > > where do we draw the line between mental illness and social inequity? > I am genuinely a bit stuck here... > >> On Apr 27, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Zachary Stein <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> Thanks Lene. Agreed. >> >> Child soldiers and gang members are to be understood and helped with >> compassion and in ways that explicitly address the social, economic, >> and political contexts that placed their lives in such turmoil. >> Approaching "these people" as if they are mentally ill is the wrong >> frame. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung / >>> Fremvirke <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello everybody, >>> >>> I think the best way to fight the idiocy is to produce a stronger >>> narrative. >>> >>> What actually makes America great? >>> >>> American science, American ingenuity, American medicine, American >>> collaboration, American expertise, American health care workers, >>> American hardship, American perseverance, American spirit, American >>> doctors, American technicians, American nurses, American... >>> >>> And have somebody whom the Trump segment admires tout that story as >>> loudly as possible; addressing anxious people who are >>> under-educated, who have lost their livelihood in the globalized >>> economy and who react understandably to a situation that leaves them >>> powerless as a mental health issue would be an arrogant mistake. >>> >>> / Lene >>> >>> On 27-04-2020 15:14, nysa71 wrote: >>>> Hi ToK Society, >>>> >>>> An excellent --- though disturbing --- article where Yale >>>> psychiatrist, Brandy Lee, is interviewed: >>>> >>>> /"A Yale psychiatrist has warned that pro-Trump lockdown >>>> protesters, who exhibit similar psychology as 'child soldiers,' >>>> could quickly turn into 'armed troops in the streets' if the >>>> president loses his re-election bid./ >>>> /"Dr. Bandy X. Lee, a forensic psychiatrist at the Yale School >>>> of Medicine, said the armed protests were a natural evolution >>>> of the loyalty President Trump demands from his supporters. >>>> Many of these protests have evidently been organized by >>>> deep-pocketed groups allied with the president."/ >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.salon.com_2020_04_23_yale-2Dpsychiatrist-2Dbandy-2Dlee-2Dlockdown-2Dprotesters-2Dresemble-2Dchild-2Dsoldiers-2Dand-2Durban-2Dgangs_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=T4FYxt5fS7TNhFwTxndUznaQCijUjLxAxfPHeUkiN90&s=3Vt9ZGFuthwY40zhvonh2oErKcuE3-UyjN_082hNy8w&e= >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.salon.com_2020_04_23_yale-2Dpsychiatrist-2Dbandy-2Dlee-2Dlockdown-2Dprotesters-2Dresemble-2Dchild-2Dsoldiers-2Dand-2Durban-2Dgangs_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RS9io8Cke8UTz735yUH9toJIraIP4tGQJFXx1Lrp86c&s=x5PVuK1Z2Yt1MDrPIyGseNkQyKdzVElIEKD2hTPs56g&e=> >>>> >>>> >>>> The mentality of these people should be of deep concern to mental >>>> health professionals, and I hope it is of top priority among the >>>> mental health community right now. >>>> >>>> ~ Jason Bessey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ############################ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or >>>> click the following link: >>>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or >>> click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or >> click the following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1