Thank you, Lene. I modify my proposal to: Bildung is founded upon the society and individuals having appropriate training in and exposure to: Education. Formal. Informal, such as: Existential knowledge: Everyday knowledge - interaction of the self with the world, such as: Cooking, riding a bicycle, using social media, cleaning, doing minor repairs, traffic rules, etc. Intersubjective knowledge: Social norms - interaction of the self with other/’s, such as: Dress codes, social etiquette, etc. Cultural knowledge – aesthetics, that which allows expression beyond verbal language, such as: Music. Visual arts. Theater, dance, & other performing arts. Poetry; literature. Rituals and reconstructive enactments. Emotional maturity. Moral maturity. Have you any corrections or comment? Also, what might be considered the minimum level of formal education which is necessary to enable societal endorsement of Bildung by the populace (ignoring for the moment details about the content of that education). Best regards, Waldemar Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD (Perseveret et Percipiunt) 503.631.8044 Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein) > On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Waldemar, > > I just realized that something crucial is missing: aesthetics; the symbolic world and beauty - see below > > On 26-04-2020 19:05, Waldemar Schmidt wrote: >> Lene: >> >> I am very much taken by the Bildung concept. >> In particular, I am interested in understanding the fundations of the concept - the benefits are abundantly clear! >> Accordingly, I have added your comments to mine, to produce a conceptualization of that upon which Bildung is founded: >> >> Bildung is founded upon: >> Education. >> Formal. >> Informal, such as: >> Existential knowledge: >> Everyday knowledge - interaction of the self with the world, such as: >> Cooking, riding a bicycle, using social media, cleaning, doing minor repairs, traffic rules, etc. >> Intersubjective knowledge: >> Social norms - interaction of the self with other/’s, such as: >> Dress codes, social etiquette, etc. > Aesthetics, that which allows expression beyond verbal language, such as > Music > Visual arts > Poetry, literature > Rituals? >> Emotional maturity. >> Moral maturity. >> >> Please excuse my compulsion to classify - probably reflects my Germanic genes. >> If the opportunity to do so arises, I would very much appreciate any comments you might wish to share. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Waldemar >> >> Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD >> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >> 503.631.8044 >> >> Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein) >> >>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Waldemar - and everybody else. >>> >>> The 3 components are absolutely right, but there are at least two more: >>> >>> practical, everyday knowledge, i.e. cooking, riding a bicycle, using Facebook, cleaning, fixing a clogged sink, knowing the traffic rules >>> social norms, i.e. dress code, holding doors (or not holding doors), how to address people at work or at home, not telling jokes at funerals, and (in the old days) shaking hands. >>> / Lene >>> >>> On 21-04-2020 17:52, Waldemar Schmidt wrote: >>>> Dear Friends: >>>> >>>> I would like to return to something that Lene wrote, and I paraphrase (please correct me as needed, Lene): >>>> >>>> Bildung has 3 components: >>>> >>>> Formal education. >>>> Emotional maturity. >>>> Moral maturity. >>>> >>>> The “etiologic agent” for us (humanity) being where we find ourselves is not nCoV-2, covid19, or Donald Trump, Sr. >>>> The problem exists because wer are only paying lip service to education - perhaps for the past century. >>>> We have an huge problem, the problem of fixing which is going to take both persistence and time. >>>> >>>> If Bildung is an (the?) answer, then we need to be very, very careful about that which we place in those little minds. >>>> >>>> The educators’ “content” is the real first responder. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Waldemar >>>> >>>> Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD >>>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >>>> 503.631.8044 >>>> >>>> Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein) >>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi TOK List, >>>>> >>>>> I share here three very different analyses regarding the current state of our country and globe. >>>>> >>>>> The first offers a conservative, pro-American view that our way of life was going along fine. The ball games, the economy, the general prosperity were neglected by doomsayers and the critical noise of the media. It says we need to embrace that “success” and return to normalcy post virus: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thefederalist.com_2020_04_20_our-2Dgoal-2Dmust-2Dbe-2Da-2Dtotal-2Dreturn-2Dto-2Dnormal_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2Fqs2U90pkO0rx4x9h6LwOffhGBmjKsPcDU3rwJWm5g&s=7bAxCH7rmuIiveUPolgvyqy12yvMtdRIr1NEuxyS65c&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__thefederalist.com_2020_04_20_our-2Dgoal-2Dmust-2Dbe-2Da-2Dtotal-2Dreturn-2Dto-2Dnormal_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=7a5CAC2qJw4kuXc0vEC1HM2Ml31uQX_vgRyixhpHoT8&s=3slhZ7nuffZBO3XMj1Xi9YUIxGvPjpIJ0CyShmnck8o&e=> >>>>> >>>>> The second argues that there were many “pre-existing conditions” that were afflicting our country and the virus simply revealed them. We are struggling, our institutions are failing us, and we need a return to sane governance and good policies that create a much more stable, well-functioning system: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_the-2Datlantic_we-2Dare-2Dliving-2Din-2Da-2Dfailed-2Dstate-2D8fff80f2dc89&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2Fqs2U90pkO0rx4x9h6LwOffhGBmjKsPcDU3rwJWm5g&s=AFZchytL-aVSJO0aCXxN-1GHk9nzoApLttU0O23S6SA&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_the-2Datlantic_we-2Dare-2Dliving-2Din-2Da-2Dfailed-2Dstate-2D8fff80f2dc89&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=7a5CAC2qJw4kuXc0vEC1HM2Ml31uQX_vgRyixhpHoT8&s=iVw3bFys0Qdlq9uFH6FKB_iRk84Ux2yl07NaSwGHWo4&e=> >>>>> >>>>> The third is more radical. It is an interview that includes TOK Society member Zak Stein and invites us to consider our global trajectory to be deeply and existentially misguided. The message here is that we need to seize the Kairos of the moment and reassess our fundamental values and metaphysics and re-emerge with fundamentally new sense and meaning making systems and new ways of being in the world: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dm-5Fc2-2DBs1BqM&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2Fqs2U90pkO0rx4x9h6LwOffhGBmjKsPcDU3rwJWm5g&s=8LNZgTOInDQ8wZTlPW4THCihPEzAPPVPPr97WQDX9g4&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dm-5Fc2-2DBs1BqM&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=7a5CAC2qJw4kuXc0vEC1HM2Ml31uQX_vgRyixhpHoT8&s=gK9BzsHS7XO23TtXHgqX9NVVhrmC1pCunn31lNaNHrM&e=> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Gregg >>>>> ############################ >>>>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> >>>> ############################ >>>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1>############################ >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> >> ############################ >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]>or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1>############################ > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1