I'd certainly be interested in that! Thanks Gregg, Cole Butler TPAC Project Coordinator University of Maryland UMD ADHD Lab <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.umdadhd.org_cole&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=8F-9ZlCZue2wIfFy9PKbAJjmbrN5IR6Lfy_4ShBztBo&e=> 2103W, Cole Field House | College Park, MD 20742 tel 301.405.6163 On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:55 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thanks, Cole. > > > > At some point, it might be interesting to have an open TOK Zoom session > devoted to Jordan Peterson from a Unified Framework lens. If folks are > interested, let me know and I will set something up. > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Cole Butler > *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2020 9:15 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: FAQ with Waldemar in Blog form > > > > Hi all, > > > > I really appreciate all of these reflections, and, in regard to the > sense-making crisis, I'm seeing it everywhere. I certainly broke down when > I asked my supervisor to lay me off, thinking that I was more of a burden > than a value. One of my best friends, quarantined in New York for 2 months > now, was institutionalized for 4-days for yelling at her boyfriend to give > her all of his Xanax so she could "not be awake for the rest of this." > Another one of my best friends quit his job yesterday and drove 3-hours > with everything he owns to come see me and try and figure things out. My > mom is high-risk and has been forced to return to the clinic she works at, > doing yoga therapy and stress management for holistic cardiac rehab, so > that the business doesn't go under, while space is too-limited to implement > proper safety measures. > > > > Indeed, these are just personal cases, and I'm sure that several of you > have seen similar experiences in your lives. My point is that it seems the > massive crisis has shaken the substructure of our realities and forced us > to question, again, where is the true information in all of this, and what > is my (our) personal narrative? In all of the above referenced cases, the > coronavirus situation served to exacerbate pre-existing psychological > concerns. For me: meaning & direction. For my NY friend: trauma and living > out her abusive father-relationship with her severe substance abusing > boyfriend. For my friend who quit his job: finding out what he wants to do > and whether or not he's valuable. For my mom: wanting to stay healthy so > that she can provide for everyone in her family that needs her. > > > > I see many people here referencing Jordan Peterson, and, while I don't > want to be the "Jordan Peterson Guy" in the group, I am a big-fan and am > currently devoting all of my book-reading time to understanding Maps of > Meaning in depth. I came across this passage yesterday that I found > particularly relevant during our situation, and I think it will highlight > what his position would be (roughly speaking - ha) if he were to speak on > this issue, though I don't think he's in good enough health for it. Right > before this quote, he laid out how information is acted out in play, > imitated, ritualized, put into narrative, transformed into myth, converted > to religion, and philosophized. See: > > > > “Every novelty-inspired, exploratory driven “learning experience” has a > revolutionary element; it is just that those reconstructions that involve > stories with very limited “sizes” (that is, spatial-temporal areas) release > only a proportionate amount of emotion. The “normal/revolutionary” > dichotomy is, therefore, not valid—it is always a matter of degree. > Small-scale inconveniences require minor life-story modifications. > Large-scale catastrophes, by contrast, undermine everything. The “biggest > disasters” occur when the largest stories that we play out are threatened > with dissolution, as a consequence of radical “environmental” > transformation. Such transformation may occur in the natural course of > things, when an earthquake or similar “act of God” takes place; may be > generated internally, as a consequence of heretical action...” > > - Jordan Peterson; Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief; p.87" > > > > Hope this is helpful, > > > > Cole Butler > > TPAC Project Coordinator > > University of Maryland > > UMD ADHD Lab > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.umdadhd.org_cole&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ye0gmRK2S8HKXGeu00SmZTcUFgZpl0mx6I7AQg0nUlU&s=q3PQv2IsUQ57tkcx3gzHIR-dHb5v7OTSWCwYcTjb974&e=> > > 2103W, Cole Field House | College Park, MD 20742 > > tel 301.405.6163 > > > > > > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 6:50 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear Joe, > > > > Thanks for this heartfelt reflection. I will offer some brief remarks in > response. I see this as a key issue and something of deep interest to the > TOK Society’s mission and ethos. > > > > First, the video was removed, so I did not get a chance to watch it. As > such, I cannot form an opinion. > > > > Second, I would describe the experience you are sharing here as a > perfectly understandable crisis in sense-making. Anyone who has not had a > crisis in sense-making is not paying attention (or worse). There is so much > that we want to know and even need to know that we cannot know. > > > > Third, central to the TOK Society’s overall mission is to foster ways of > being that enable us to see the world in a way that affords greater sense > making. This is, of course, what the Tree of Knowledge attempts to. It > offers a novel descriptive metaphysical language system for organizing our > modern naturalistic scientific justification systems. By putting on these > glasses, we can sift through much noise and start to home in on the > important behavioral frequencies across the various dimensions and levels > of analysis. The idea of why we need an Enlightenment 2.0 Now (riffing off > Pinker) is that our sense making ecology is being overwhelmed and we lack > the schema necessary. The ToK attempts to fill the conceptual gaps that > modernity left empty. > > > > Fourth, individuals are hopeless in trying to make sense of the kind of > phenomena we need to make sense of in the 21st Century. As such, we need > collective intelligence systems operating on good faith to enable to have > data-information-knowledge-wisdom ecologies that afford us high quality > living in a sustainable, resilient, and anti-fragile way. > > > > Fifth, the folks over at Rebel Wisdom are asking these kind of questions > in earnest. Indeed, I would say that the last four or so videos have been > focused on exactly the genre of the question you are raising here: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DG70qtM66iY8-26t-3D23s&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=rQBwAgLnrNpIdCckBxQ9zK-E6IBm5AmamCnazE4cmEc&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DG70qtM66iY8-26t-3D23s&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ye0gmRK2S8HKXGeu00SmZTcUFgZpl0mx6I7AQg0nUlU&s=olOfxXX68RndsZhQXA3qmXoTVvFdfmL9u8s5MwmXnLY&e=> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DhDM1wTGOjOw&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=8N1BjkBZv--lgO5PrHfSOZV0VPmZ_FArOpeZHFIhWT4&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DhDM1wTGOjOw&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ye0gmRK2S8HKXGeu00SmZTcUFgZpl0mx6I7AQg0nUlU&s=QNmrP65tmOYvF-1EU5OanrWX6YYp2-7u87gwIPNtsu8&e=> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DomiD6WkTKak&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=FYoQ3gU_gxGrt-Erbuc_nrkdif_2lhYdKhWBkrXw6G4&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DomiD6WkTKak&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ye0gmRK2S8HKXGeu00SmZTcUFgZpl0mx6I7AQg0nUlU&s=rguDCMUjAdFJ5XjFjCUEdV4QKc-zPItpb7XhXUaSniM&e=> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHZcO-2DB-5Fy4aY&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=K3zLB1Poh0juy2fH5QNrZT4IEhcMokMjEbD2TcxiEKM&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHZcO-2DB-5Fy4aY&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ye0gmRK2S8HKXGeu00SmZTcUFgZpl0mx6I7AQg0nUlU&s=NUx67-1iWlRBExqJynPbjfA64fnYsuT120fE29QFe3s&e=> > > > > See also Jordan Hall’s reflections on The Stoa. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DDPcQ6igOTZ4&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=10LR5nDtnc7Fu-Us7OUoCXvRH2gpNSiL8jviSFASZyo&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DDPcQ6igOTZ4&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ye0gmRK2S8HKXGeu00SmZTcUFgZpl0mx6I7AQg0nUlU&s=K_9VEcNLc7DQygeU_S6UmzYMIluOBLaT0bkwSmStpmg&e=> > > > > Sixth, we are stepping into a liminal space, a time between worlds, to use > Zak S’s phrase. We must give up the idea that we know. We must embark on a > new sensemaking journey, with sense making systems that are up to the task > and our commitment to being good faith actors attempting to enhance dignity > and well-being with integrity. As such, there are no easy answers. The best > we can do is cultivate the right knowledge systems with the right attitudes > and do what we can toward cleaning up the information ecology and moving > toward valued states of being. > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Michalski > *Sent:* Thursday, May 7, 2020 2:43 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: FAQ with Waldemar in Blog form > > > > Greetings ToK Society Colleagues: > > > > First, please feel free to ignore this lengthy message entirely if you're > not interested. I'm writing this in the wee hours of the morning after > being troubled by the odd convergence of reviewing Jason's post precisely > at the same time that my wife came up and told me "OMG, did I send you that > link? I just finished watching that video because my friend said I had to > see this right away!"). So, I decided to dive in. But, I confess, I'm a bit > confused. Hence my lengthy post here. > > > > I am trained as a sociologist -- a weak science at best, if anyone else > truly knows my field. But I'm trained as a scientist nevertheless, even > though I don't think any other sociologists in my own department would use > that word to describe themselves! So, that means I strive to understand the > links between theory, methodology, and evidence in whatever I investigate. > The end result is that I tend to be quite "conservative" in making "causal" > claims about human social behavior, since we typically lack rigor and > experimental controls in most sociological studies, even when we are > committed to doing "real science" (and, believe me, many sociologists are > hyper-critical of anything claiming to be "scientific" and/or are > explicitly ideological rather than scientific in their pursuits). My main > point is that the "royal we" of sociologists are not especially insightful > in terms of identifying the mechanisms that lead to behavioral > consequences. That's perhaps the main reason I became enamored of the ToK > approach. Plus, I have always read widely across all disciplines, partly > from frustrations with my own field's limited explanatory capacity, which > includes too the limitations of my own work. I've been "searching" for a > more unified understanding of all facets of "behavior" in the universe. My > apologies for such self-indulgence, but I mention all of this to set the > stage for my query of this list. For despite my status as a "full > professor" and despite being an "ABD" in a cognate field from the > University of Toronto, I'm confused by the total range of COVID-19 info > currently being circulated. > > > > Can someone perhaps distill for me and the list the key info being > circulated? From a ToK perspective, we are dealing with biological behavior > (the stuff Waldemar mainly addresses), the psychological behavior (e.g., > issues ranging from widespread fear to cognitive biases and conspiracy > theories - and whatever triggers our brains to "think" certain ways) to the > cultural issues surrounding justifications and our embeddedness in cultural > systems that promote certain worldviews (i.e., we are all "socially > located" and thus inevitably "influenced" by the social "vorces" to which > we are subjected, including this listserv!). Thus we can see that there are > many moving parts. But we are at an unprecedented moment, certainly in my > lifetime. The last several weeks have seen a change literally in how we > conduct our daily lives, and millions of people have lost their jobs. Our > university, of course, ended up shutting down and we're anticipating the > loss of many students and millions of dollars, jeopardizing our fiscal > future as well. At the same time, I'm supportive of the notion that if we > rally around these issues together, we can protect our collective health > and secure a more optimistic future. But that requires that our key actors > are "acting in good faith" and that we are basing decisions on the "best > science" too. So, here's the problem. I was born in the early '60s and thus > grew up in the '60s and '70s, where we first started to question that our > government might not be telling the truth in all matters of importance. > That didn't mean we all became "conspiracy theorists," but, not > surprisingly, my own discipline (sociology) shifted to more > anti-establishment and "critical" approaches to understanding the > production of truth and knowledge. The long and the short of these > developments? > > > > We realized, I think with some reasonable degree of insight and > skepticism, that there might indeed be some truth to the notion that > scientific research and the production of knowledge more generally might be > tied at least in some respects to certain financial and political > interests. More benignly, we at least came to establish the subfield of the > sociology of science to examine those social forces the might affect the > production of knowledge and truth claims, without denying the possibility > of some forms of "objectivity" or "brute facts" altogether. And this is > where we could have and should have been working much more closely with the > psychologists! But, alas, we were too arrogant and too territorial -- and > we have remained siloed and rather alienated from each other as a result, > though I'm sure the psychologists have been probably equally arrogant and > dismissive too of sociologists (well, at least people like Jordan Petersen > despise sociology because apparently we're ALL Marxists and > post-modernists, and there's nothing of value to be found within those > paradigms in his view). All of which brings me back to COVID-19 and the > "conspiracy theorists" and "deep state" folks. How is a reasonable person, > genuinely curious and open-minded in the pursuit of knowledge, supposed to > make sense out of these two antithetical positions: > > > > Position A: The "Plandemic" theory being touted here and spreading, ahem, > "virally": > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D5wHzrYtV5lw-26fbclid-3DIwAR1Yu3Kidy-5FyeNroGeS8EHpFadMpOFpB-5FHYOyZOlh3WbcyeTwoNFdiFt-5FzA&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=FYWgJnn3jNlWoXTzr9UqFs-IuDyrBH1tLmugTbW6kH0&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D5wHzrYtV5lw-26fbclid-3DIwAR1Yu3Kidy-5FyeNroGeS8EHpFadMpOFpB-5FHYOyZOlh3WbcyeTwoNFdiFt-5FzA&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=gBg9eT-S-A2-NgeTD4SGELD9NzVjZ3npWNwaozfAdNc&s=5sALXVtSrZeMCxyUFogKivWRkGi5oVHcz5OUUABkOJc&e=> > > > > Position B: These are all crackpots, anti-vax, pseudo-scientists, like > Mikovits: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__respectfulinsolence.com_2020_05_06_judy-2Dmikovits-2Dpandemic_-23comments&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=YYTtx9PLgktLA6HPd5SObNJy6mNn24SfAD2x8FSwXm8&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__respectfulinsolence.com_2020_05_06_judy-2Dmikovits-2Dpandemic_-23comments&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=gBg9eT-S-A2-NgeTD4SGELD9NzVjZ3npWNwaozfAdNc&s=hkWhMY_qhBrReZmTo4oHEnqWTiNpM7SX14_574eWFrU&e=> > > > > I've just spent two hours trying to understand these sharply contrasting > perspectives and, despite (because of?) my education, I cannot discern what > the science is "really" telling us about the causal mechanisms involved in > the spread of viruses. I have a limited knowledge of virology. How can I > possibly or credibly assess the veracity of what I'm "being told" or what > the "best science" truly says about the causal mechanisms associated with > the virus and immune responses? Mikovits apparently had some early career > success with her doctoral work re: HIV: "...recent studies (have shown) > patients in which plasma virus is reduced to undetectable levels following > highly active triple drug antiretroviral therapy, but soon after cessation > of therapy high viral titers are again detected, suggesting long lived > reservoirs of latent virus exist. Therefore, we have focused our efforts on > examining infectivity of HIV-1 and HTLV-1 and defining cytokines and other > cellular mechanisms involved in maintaining a balance between human > retroviral expression and latency." Her subsequent work, however, did not > appear to achieve the same standards of success. Her own *Science* article > has been retracted, especially after other researchers failed to replicate > her work. More recently, Mikovits has "questioned whether the use of > animal tissue in medical research were unleashing devastating plagues of > chronic diseases, such as autism and chronic fatigue syndrome." Is that > even possible or, if not, as she seems to imply, intentional? > > > > I also am concerned from a psychological perspective about the strength of > the possible cognitive biases involved as people defend their positions > with such extremism (but nor do I want to concede that it's all "relative" > and purely a matter of how one sees the world). More to the point, the > scientist in me recoils when I see such monolithic pronouncements or > all-encompassing "explanations" that lack nuance or discussions or careful > consideration of alternative voices and a careful review of the evidence. > In short, why should I or anyone else simply listen to "Mikovits" (Position > A), whom I'd never heard of previously, or "Orac" (Position B), whom I'd > never heard of previously? For that matter, I've certainly heard of Bill > Gates, but should I trust him either in regard to his pronouncements about > COVID-19 or vaccination? I mean, I like Microsoft platforms well enough, > but that's a rather different field. More generally, how does one assess > the degree of "mis-information" and "dis-information" that regularly > spreads on the internet? Equally problematic: how can one possibly trust > the political leadership that may not always be driven by "the public > interest"? I've only recently watched the Ken Burns Vietnam war > documentary, where I was struck by a number of observations, but perhaps > none more than the Vietnam vet Karl Marlantes (U.S. Marines) quoted on > camera: “My bitterness about the political powers at the time was, first of > all, the lying. I mean, I can understand the policy error that is > incredibly, incredibly painful and kills a lot of people out of a mistake > if they made that with noble hearts. That was, you know, when Eisenhower > and Kennedy were trying to figure things out. And you read that, you know, > McNamara knew by ’65, that was three years before I was there, that the war > was unwinnable? That’s what makes me mad. Making a mistake, people can do > that. But covering up mistakes. Then,you’re killing people for your own ego > – and that makes me mad.” > > > > I hate to think we are being directly misled on matters as serious as > COVID-19, but we surely must ask which groups stand to benefit for the > dissemination of which types of information. Yet if we are reduced to > asking *only* that question, then that doesn't really help us understand > the medical issues involved or even the policy implications that might > follow. I'd welcome anyone and everyone's insights to help us develop a > more coherent view of what's happening from a medical and population health > standpoint, as well as in constructing the most accurate and helpful > "narrative" or "justifications" that we might offer moving forward. I mean, > God knows I just put my own "life" and "family" at risk earlier today > (yesterday now!) spending hours helping a guy currently dealing with a drug > addiction move into a wretched apartment in the most "dangerous" part of my > own city -- where there was no "social distancing" or masks, or much of > anything else one sees in "polite" or "educated" society. What's the rate > of infectious disease in that part of town? We know it's relatively high, > since we opened up the first "safe injection site" just blocks from where I > was working today. In any event, I'm almost 60 and I came home and > literally shed tears at the misery I had just spent several hours > witnessing, even though I was "helping" one poor soul. For whatever the > reasons or the underlying causes, we are literally dealing with life and > death issues here. I, for one, would benefit from any additional insights > folks on this list could offer to make sense out of what we're really > facing here. Peace and health, -Joe > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Joseph H. Michalski > > King’s University College at Western University > > 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201 > > London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 > > Tel: (519) 433-3491 > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > ______________________ > > *ei*π + 1 = 0 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Lene Rachel Andersen - > Nordic Bildung / Fremvirke < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:41 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: FAQ with Waldemar in Blog form > > > > There is an entire 'subculture' out there that believes what I gather to > be the following narrative: Bill Gates created the virus in order to sell > governments a chip that can be implanted in all of us and keep us under > constant surveillance. This is predicted in the Bible that says something > about a mark on the hand (the chip) and a mark on the forehead (masks). The > WHO is in on this and is run by communists who want to destroy the economy > and keep everybody locked up in their homes. The WHO is also the main > source of misinformation. There is also something about a socialist world > government and losing the right to guns mixed up in the story. > > I am a member of a Jordan B. Peterson support group on Facebook where I > have gathered the bits and pieces, but I have not pursued all the details. > > If anybody knows Jordan B. Peterson and has access to him, and if he still > believes in science and government institutions - and if he is in good > heath - please tell him that he could save many lives by making a video > explaining why people should pay attention to government health information. > > / Lene > > On 07-05-2020 04:04, nysa71 wrote: > > Hi Waldemar, > > Yes, that FAQ was very helpful, and I made sure to share it on my Facebook > timeline. > > However, something that seems disturbing just came to my attention. It > would seem there's some new "conspiracy theory" video on the virus that's > being spread around social media. YouTube has taken it down once, but it > keeps popping up. Phrases like "Big Pharma" and "The Deep State" get > mentioned, and that, of course, sets off some red flags for me. > > Since this pandemic is bad enough, this kind of nonsense is the last thing > we need. > > I just wanted to bring this to your attention. Perhaps your expertise is > needed to address this, as well. We don't need any more misinformation out > there. There's enough of that already. > > Plandemic Documentary The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid 19 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D5wHzrYtV5lw-26fbclid-3DIwAR1Yu3Kidy-5FyeNroGeS8EHpFadMpOFpB-5FHYOyZOlh3WbcyeTwoNFdiFt-5FzA&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=A6JMm4h82hsqOAM5JkWlBJf0QEdovuRk8TkTRS75j-U&s=WrTVKlN1y25XT6z8JHbz2bzhH22-4l4Yp_NKowDGwG4&e=> > > > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > Plandemic Documentary The Hidden Agenda Behind Covid 19 > > Reminder: This documentary is a reupload. I did not make this. Please > share and download this video. it will mos... > > > Again, thanks Waldemar & Gregg, > Jason Bessey > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 02:48:39 PM EDT, Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you Gregg and Waldemar. This is very useful. I've shared it with my > facebook friends. > > > > Best, > > > Cole Butler > > TPAC Project Coordinator > > University of Maryland > > UMD ADHD Lab > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.umdadhd.org_cole&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=iYDhiLSnqgOGC_4ktZqJy7Qt_b2Gb05KEHvF9jh4GhQ&s=8nn4aFiTDOJTolGcN7KI4ovm-UfNSkrGQkmeFGMuZgU&e=> > > 2103W, Cole Field House | College Park, MD 20742 > > tel 301.405.6163 > > > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:28 PM Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Thanks Waldemar. I've shared this with my family as well! All the best, > -joe > > > > Dr. Joseph H. Michalski > > King’s University College at Western University > > 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201 > > London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 > > Tel: (519) 433-3491 > > Email: [log in to unmask] > > ______________________ > > *ei*π + 1 = 0 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:23 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: FAQ with Waldemar in Blog form > > > > Hi Waldemar, > > Thanks for the latest. > > > > They made your blog an essential read, so it is now on the homepage of > Psych Today. Thanks and congrats! > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Waldemar Schmidt > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 1:04 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: FAQ with Waldemar in Blog form > > > > As mentioned in the blog, humility and skepticism is in order when dealing > with nCoV-2 and COVID-19. > > > > nCoV-2 has mutated - the mutation is termed D614G - and it appears more > infectious than the original. > > > > We have so much to learn about this virus. > > > > A link: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.msn.com_en-2Dus_news&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=yvDNhol3cnNyoJNOCCyrITn4VkURdY4pv1tVChoGlFE&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.msn.com_en-2Dus_news&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JQKec80PjliE5Kd5tyH6IOGXXGWQSTaRxpIeG-dhmEE&s=1fnkMFAVmmvKuKgJ5SSEjChp6jpbxYxwexVLe3aEdsM&e=> > . > > > > The time for mitigation may not yet be over! > > > > Please, all be safe, be wise, be home, and be healthy! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Waldemar > > > > *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* > (Perseveret et Percipiunt) > 503.631.8044 > > *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* > > > > On May 5, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Hi List, > > Waldemar was kind enough to walk me through some basic biology of the > virus and we put our discuss up as an FAQ in blog form: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202005_understanding-2Dcovid-2D19-2Dprimer&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JSq0Pvqazv4x2LXYvb9waSKbSvdtw2b36ikU1o-31no&s=zRKThFRZUWAK-Mn5LrbImdvosYiLsSc6APduZt7syFo&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202005_understanding-2Dcovid-2D19-2Dprimer&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JQKec80PjliE5Kd5tyH6IOGXXGWQSTaRxpIeG-dhmEE&s=KzYzuuc7frdycYJHJx4BQsuhWMIGndBDd8LqSD4irg0&e=> > > > > Hope folks are doing ok these days. 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