Jamie,

These are fascinating points.  I do believe at this time that people are
stronger when they have internal coherence, and weaker when energy has to
route itself indirectly.

As for the specifics, we really do need to speak in Unified Theory/ToK
language to track where how and why physical strength relates to emotional
coherence.

-Chance

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:48 PM Jamie D <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Some people in Kinesiology claim you can measure the "truth" of a
> statement by measuring the strength of your muscles when hearing it. No
> surprise there's a lot of controversy about this. This is a discussion
> about what manner of "true" might be the case.
>
> I'm interested in finding out which permutation develops energy as not
> just a solution to depression, but perhaps achieving higher levels of
> "vibration" or inner freedom than recognized as normal.
>
> I was meditating in Self-Enquiry recently, observing how various thoughts
> trigger various changes in the flow of energy within my body, and noticing
> how much of my thinking "sucks" or "denies" energy from my voluntary
> muscles (I wonder if that's how the term "suck" came to be). One can see
> how this connects to *behavioral shutdown*, depression, and low
> self-esteem.
>
> Clearly the body will support some thoughts and actions and not others,
> and I believe this has everything to do with the most interesting stories
> and examples of human nature:
> *how revenge is a bad idea,
> *why some say those who *believe *the most will always win,
> *how finding God and repentance provides new life,
> *how talking to God or your self/subconscious/body in prayer causes subtle
> feelings of change that could emerge later into radically different
> behaviors.
>
> I'm reminded to really check my intentions. I currently think that the
> energy behind a simple intention, say to win a game of poker, can be
> refracted into many other intentions based on how the poker game is played,
> and very little is premeditated. A person can set out to play the game,
> hoping to win, but in a manner that necessarily translates into other
> intentions and emotions like anger, humiliation, etc.
>
> Joe Rogan talked about how terrible it is to lose a big fight. Why MUST
> that be the case? Is it not possible to invest just as much energy into
> winning, without caring if you lose, in order to live wisely?
>
> And if I try to live that way, peers will often presume and impose such
> frames upon you, requiring some will of mind to resist the "curses".
>
> Another question is: *can the body be wrong? Can emotions be wrong? * Can
> trauma cause someone to feel shame for having thoughts that go against
> abusers, or later, against genuine lies, that another might feel elated and
> victorious as solutions to their problems? The former type of person should
> be enraged at their peers for allowing them to be so duped! How is that
> made right?
>
> Life imposes all sorts of conflicts where people have to decide if they
> are more deserving than another, and I don't think the answer is to put
> others before yourself every time with anyone. But is it to love yourself
> before all else?
> Napolean once said, "I love nobody" and seems not to have been depressed
> much at all.
>
> Anyway, the body/subconscious clearly decide what you actually believe,
> and while you can negotiate with them, they may require a certain logical
> coherence - maybe a kind of logic yet to be written.
>
> I'd like to see the experiments on epistemic kinesiology (if that's even
> been coined). it fits with *behavioral investment theory BIT,* and the
> concept of *body budget, and withdrawal. *
>
> I look forward to connecting the dots further.
>
>
> --
> -Jamie
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