*Economic inequality * On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:34 AM Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Most of it stems from a culture that permits child abuse. Many Americans > believe that punishment is an effective learning tool, and that beating > children protects them from Satanic impulses and influence. > > A lot of times police are treating suspects as violently as they treat > their own children and wives. > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 11:31 AM Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> Yeah, I didn't mean to get things simplistic, as I have a deep respect >> for the black community. >> >> I just wondered if that hypothesis could someway match; I can't really >> understand the violence of the police on black people, I think it is not >> comparable to any other western State, like the mass shootings phenomena. >> >> Being a bystander can be a weakness or sometimes a strength, I think. I >> didn't mean to be offensive to "America". >> >> From the outside, the racial issue is intrinsically paradoxical: many of >> the most famous and influent VIPs all over the world are Afro-American, yet >> a man can be chocked in the street while being filmed. Why? >> It`s paradoxical, I was just trying to get a sense of it. >> >> Thanks for your answer. >> >> Andrea >> >> Il ven 12 giu 2020 17:46 Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]> ha >> scritto: >> >>> Andrea, >>> >>> I think that the race situation in "America" is far too complicated for >>> any outsider to understand. >>> >>> For example, some of my black friends tell me that black lives matter is >>> a divisive tool that they want no part of, but performatively sometimes go >>> along with to avoid the stress and heat from activists. One of my black >>> friends is a retired black panther and boot-legger, and the other is a >>> successful black doctor with deep roots in the deep south African American >>> community. Another is a former blood gang member who now coaches troubled >>> youth. And yet another specializes in black-mailing closeted white man for >>> social leverage. >>> >>> Open to discussing further. . . >>> >>> namaste >>> >>> -Chance >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:39 AM Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi TOK society, >>>> I am Italian and I have never been in the U.S., but I have been >>>> wondering for a while now about the current states of affairs in North >>>> America, regarding the racial discrimination. >>>> I have had several conversations with my girlfriend, who has been >>>> deeply immersed in the american popular culture since she was a kid. She >>>> thinks that the american hostility toward black people is somewhat >>>> qualitatively different from the European one. >>>> Shortly, she thinks that the main reason is historical: northern >>>> america has had black people as slaves, Europe has not (at least not in >>>> such a degree). So the european racism might be something different, more >>>> like a "fear" of the stranger than a genuine belief of superiority, or a >>>> justification system of exploitation. >>>> >>>> The nazionalsocialism and fascism could be immediately called into >>>> discussion to deny such hypothesis: the superiority of race has never been >>>> declared so clearly, yet the main hostility at the times was against Jews >>>> rather than against black people, and also in that case the reasons could >>>> be framed as historical. >>>> >>>> Do you think it is a valid hypothesis? Is there any literature about >>>> that? >>>> >>>> Thanks four your posts. >>>> >>>> Andrea Zagaria >>>> >>>> Il ven 12 giu 2020 14:34 Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> >>>> ha scritto: >>>> >>>>> Dear Ari, Kacey, Zak, Joe and others who have commented on this thread, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Many, many thanks for these heartfelt, moving, authentic >>>>> expressions. To me, these are the ingredients of people of goodwill >>>>> attempting to come together to enhance dignity and well-being with >>>>> integrity. I am very much looking forward to the next two community >>>>> TOK-Thrive meetings on building bridges to create common ground with Mike >>>>> and hearing the panel discussion on perspectives of women of color led by >>>>> Paulihna. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These exchanges make me proud to be part of this community. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Gregg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Wilson, Katherine >>>>> Christine - wilso3kc (Dukes) >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:50 PM >>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Two articles on Policing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Joe, Yes, Thank You! I appreciate your rant immensely and hope >>>>> you don’t retire too soon! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Ari, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> this is a beautiful piece you have written that captures so much of >>>>> what I see white liberals and moderates in my generation struggling with. I >>>>> have written something similar in my head many times, but have feared that >>>>> sharing at this point would incur the rebukes and judgments from peers who >>>>> would see me as a part of the problem, less woke, and worthy of disdain. >>>>> Which perhaps is accurate, but not a palatable pill to swallow. For anyone >>>>> with a heart or nervous system, these are tough times to open your mouth >>>>> from a place of vulnerability or honesty, especially if it doesn’t resound >>>>> with the broader chorus that is undoubtedly several beats ahead of me >>>>> in waking up to what has been going on for centuries. I “knew” about >>>>> racism, but I didn’t “know”… I didn’t feel it in my bones every day, and >>>>> stare it in the face, and feel for my friends of color every time a micro >>>>> aggression passed me by as I moved forward unaware of what had even >>>>> transpired. That level of blindness is shocking to wake up too. Unnerving >>>>> and horrifying. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I see friends teetering on hiding in a corner right now because the >>>>> sense of shame and judgment from others, and a sense of not “getting it” or >>>>> not “getting it right enough.” I can imagine that shame is a tiny fraction >>>>> of what BIPOC/QTPOC have experienced for centuries. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I really feel you when you write, "This is an enormous collective >>>>> wound, I cannot heal it in myself quickly. I’m sorry.” I am right there >>>>> with you; the healing is slow and even catching the subtle ways in which >>>>> racism, historical systems of oppression, values of colonization and >>>>> capitalism, competition, and meritocracy show up in me are sneaky, >>>>> slippery, and hard to catch, check, and change (and I can often only do so >>>>> in hindsight initially). In many ways the “doing” U.S. culture I grew up >>>>> and swim within has trained me not to FEEL what is happening so that I >>>>> don’t even know how divorced I am from self and others at times (let alone >>>>> nature and other species). I feel we have immense work before us, and work >>>>> that is going to be triggering, threatening, painful, and require a level >>>>> of solidarity, compassion, patience, courage, persistence, and >>>>> collaboration with thoughtful, grounded, and wise leaders across various >>>>> fields, just to move the needle. I think we can do this work, and I think >>>>> we need unity more than condemnation of those just beginning to acknowledge >>>>> the ways in which the system has been and is broken. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As a mixed Irish American, who is also a descendant from slaves on my >>>>> father’s side (this is my great grandfather: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.baltimoresun.com_news_bs-2Dxpm-2D1994-2D01-2D25-2D1994025180-2Dstory.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3iuwcYkHRZnEFgYRM6qQIiS881rilFlzdwwi5zNN8go&s=bUncKWNDuzkiQJI25ZRXHGsmo-WvUV-77X-I4kwiaQs&e= >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.baltimoresun.com_news_bs-2Dxpm-2D1994-2D01-2D25-2D1994025180-2Dstory.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=FrGmXlfrLBiNc77zgaKlqUBI27IndXHsijmxn28DcaY&e=>), >>>>> I am a white passing person with a white-washed lineage due to a family >>>>> history of fear of retribution for the color of one’s skin (that led to >>>>> choices about who to marry and have children with). This history lives in >>>>> our DNA, and is woven into the fabric of everything that the U.S. is built >>>>> upon. We have to collectively take ownership for it, and figure out what >>>>> legacy we want to leave behind. No two of us are going to see, feel, and >>>>> recognize this time for what it is in the same way. And that is the power >>>>> and vulnerability of “the epistemological problem” ( >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201910_there-2Dare-2Dtwo-2Dhard-2Dproblems-2Dconsciousness-2Dnot-2Done&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3iuwcYkHRZnEFgYRM6qQIiS881rilFlzdwwi5zNN8go&s=A0QXFUxA0iSoBYNgYWip0Pt7HMhiA9q0NLr0qEzDKTM&e= >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201910_there-2Dare-2Dtwo-2Dhard-2Dproblems-2Dconsciousness-2Dnot-2Done&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=Po8TMQMAIGr_tEyI-ew7F-x6mT5878_8SQCxxDPUcog&e=> >>>>> ) as Gregg has outlined. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We have to find a method, practice, linguistic tool, set of >>>>> agreements, etc. to come together to really understand the summation of >>>>> the collective experience, discrepancies, injustices, various viewpoints, >>>>> to even have the right “data” to work with to paint a clear picture. Maybe >>>>> this is what the “Singularity” will actually be about (assuming it is a >>>>> benevolent singularity that works in the collective interests of humanity >>>>> in general). So while the systems of current data collection may be limited >>>>> and inherently biased due to the foundations upon which they operate, >>>>> perhaps this is changing in a direction that, if intentionally and >>>>> consciously employed, could curate a more clear picture of where we have >>>>> been and the possibilities of where to go from here with the most optimal >>>>> outcome for all. This is super idealistic, but I am honestly too afraid to >>>>> consider alternatives that could be coming down the pipeline… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has already figured out the solution, and can explain to us >>>>> like we are six-year-olds (as not all of us share a genius IQ here, but >>>>> still want to help!), I entreat you to do so. For what better moment should >>>>> solutions be proffered? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Okay, "young person rant” is now over. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> p.s. for those interested in a faith-based perspective on racism, here >>>>> is webinar from a Baha’i professor that I found insightful: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wilmetteinstitute.org_centering-2Dthe-2Dpupil-2Dof-2Dthe-2Deye_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3iuwcYkHRZnEFgYRM6qQIiS881rilFlzdwwi5zNN8go&s=DX_VEoc-zaC1nuJVTflnBofJn6C1hk5Je56eJjnYjOM&e= >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wilmetteinstitute.org_centering-2Dthe-2Dpupil-2Dof-2Dthe-2Deye_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=i1rcCRgDbLM01xS202JHUdwjRqZ8NC3pZdkooVqcKE8&e=> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Ari Delashmutt <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joe's rant was pretty epic and knocked me in the head hard. It made >>>>> some things click. I wrote an article about said things, Medium says its a >>>>> 6 minute read. I'd love to hear your thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_-40ariintheair_inquiring-2Dabout-2Dall-2Dlives-2Dmatter-2D3a248f6e568&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3iuwcYkHRZnEFgYRM6qQIiS881rilFlzdwwi5zNN8go&s=uobTO99_SO1x2v4gIyydSBDuq_WKdsOXoeZHGDZQiTY&e= >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_-40ariintheair_inquiring-2Dabout-2Dall-2Dlives-2Dmatter-2D3a248f6e568&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=zBJ6lBDpCiQ4Bhq3euXX5MZVnTU26c6Dwa6pgV0hj3Q&s=1nPhh9I2G6sNcfQdNXTlBXMG1P33L3umcXo8VIJrIXI&e=> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With love, >>>>> >>>>> Ari >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 9:44 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Joe, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for this analysis. Very helpful in clarifying the >>>>> sociological issues. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Gregg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Michalski >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:04 PM >>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Two articles on Policing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Colleagues: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With all due respect, I simply cannot support a "50-50, he said, she >>>>> said" approach to the analysis the state of policing and justification >>>>> systems invoked to support particular agendas. Please feel free to ignore >>>>> the following "rant" from a stereotypical "left-wing" sociologist, yours >>>>> truly. I don't agree w/ that characterization, but what choice do I have? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even if one could step outside of the political firestorm, the social >>>>> scientific theories and certainly the empirical evidence - including that >>>>> which Heather MacDonald (author, btw, of a book that I read a couple years >>>>> ago titled * The War on Cops*) cites - points to deep-seated biases & >>>>> differential treatment, as well as real-life differential outcomes for what >>>>> happens to "real people" in "real communities." But the discourse is so >>>>> tilted in the U.S. (even moreso than in Canada where I live) that it would >>>>> take far too much time to make the case for why even much of the discourse >>>>> even in the current framing tends to be far more "right-wing" and >>>>> conservative, as well as at odds with the social scientific literature. >>>>> MacDonald states that "I urge this committee to reject the proposition that >>>>> law enforcement today is systemically biased. The evidence does not support >>>>> that charge." And yet her own highly distorted & limited presentation of >>>>> the numbers *still* provides evidence of biases in policing and >>>>> disproportionate surveillance & criminalization of African-American (and >>>>> racialized minorities) in general. And, of course, she ignores the far >>>>> wider range of evidence that's even more damning and that would subvert her >>>>> claims entirely. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But here's the bigger point. Most people ignore the fact that if you >>>>> want "more crime," then hold constant civilian behavior and simply increase >>>>> the number of police. More surveillance alone leads to more crime, all else >>>>> constant. More people looking for "bad behavior" will lead to more >>>>> observations, more arrests, etc. And who's in positions to "identify" and >>>>> "observe" and then "sanction" perceived crime? Those in positions of social >>>>> advantage and power. And that story has not changed all that much, despite >>>>> the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Law enforcement continues to be >>>>> highly skewed and biased, almost regardless of the metric that you use. >>>>> Tons of empirical stuff does not even get counted, such as the # of times >>>>> that people who are stopped for "identical reasons" if you could hold all >>>>> else constant (e.g., speeding) end up being treated *differently* on >>>>> the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, or any # of other social factors, to >>>>> say nothing of human psychology, that might affect how transactions & >>>>> interactions unfold. Where's all that data? Nowhere. And yet, do a thought >>>>> experiment with me. Imagine if you were to test all the police in terms of >>>>> their propensities for implicit bias or even overt manifestations of >>>>> racism? What if you did comprehensive personality profiles? What would you >>>>> find? And, then take that a step further. Despite the training they receive >>>>> (often only 12 weeks or less), how might they end up interacting with >>>>> "random" samples of people from the general public? What do you think you >>>>> *might* find if you were to really study these issues in-depth and >>>>> scientifically? Do you think you might see various forms of differential >>>>> treatment, especially if "unfiltered" (although, apparently in the case of >>>>> some officers like Derek Chauvin, it really doesn't even matter if the >>>>> camera is rolling)? What would be the distribution in terms of the general >>>>> police force, even if 90% were totally enlightened, fair-minded individuals >>>>> committed to the highest aspirations of the "protect and serve" philosophy >>>>> (btw, the evidence on who the police "are" from social scientific research >>>>> paints a vastly different picture)? So, if "only" 10% act on their biases, >>>>> what effect would that have & who would disproportionately be targeted? And >>>>> so on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so the problems are far more deep-seated. If you want certain >>>>> groups to be targeted, then increase police presence & see what happens. >>>>> For example, what happens to "peaceful protesters" if there are more police >>>>> around to "watch"? Forget the rioting and looting - how many arrests of >>>>> looters have been caught on tape (and even then there are other issues to >>>>> consider)? How many peaceful protesters have been beaten, or tear-gassed, >>>>> or abused in one way or another? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If there's a call to "de-fund" the police, does that mean no policing >>>>> services? Or does that mean shifting some of the funding to investments in >>>>> other types of services, education, health, infrastructure, opportunities, >>>>> and investments in "poor" communities? Even among self-identified >>>>> "liberals," how many want to live among and work with the poorest of the >>>>> poor, be the awesome teachers I had in Fairfax County in the 1970s (white, >>>>> privileged, wealthy, and largely segregated outside of TC Williams!) for >>>>> young people "at risk" in those communities, move their families & live >>>>> among & befriend those in the poorest neighbourhoods, and invest in small >>>>> businesses or have their larger corporations relocate in those communities >>>>> to create work incentives? And who's providing the health and social >>>>> services, working with those suffering from substance abuse problems, or >>>>> coaching the kids in sports and extra-curricular activities? No, none of >>>>> THAT stuff can really be "legislated" and you certainly cannot force people >>>>> to live in more integrated or diverse 'hoods, but at least recognize that >>>>> much of the funding and tax relief directly benefits the wealthy (as Billie >>>>> Eilish might sing, "Duh") and those in positions of power, including the >>>>> police & the military. Far more money is spent on the U.S. military (yes, >>>>> that's *directly* relevant to this discussion) and to U.S. policing >>>>> than to all other publicly-funded health and human services. Not even >>>>> close, especially if you set aside social security (which no one seems to >>>>> define as "socialism" in the U.S., but I digress...) But what's the >>>>> narrative being advanced in halls of power and certainly by the Trumpian >>>>> leadership on the right? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I cannot even begin to do justice to the thousands of scientific >>>>> research studies that demonstrate the full range of biases and inequalities >>>>> built into the systems of advanced-industrial democracies in general, to >>>>> say nothing of what's happening in the most extremely polarized & >>>>> militarized system on the face of the planet: the U.S. military-industrial >>>>> complex, who funding exceeds the next 10 countries in the world combined. >>>>> I'm sorry, but I have spent my life trying to understand human behavior >>>>> and, specifically crime, violence, and social control - and none of that >>>>> (or the best of the work by the top leaders and pioneers in the field) gets >>>>> noticed, acknowledged, or built into most of the discussions. Speaking only >>>>> for myself, I think I may have reached the end of my career in even trying >>>>> to have intelligent conversations about any of this stuff any longer. I'm >>>>> sure I sound like a raving idiot. I just wish people could see at least >>>>> *some* of the arguments and evidence as to how far to the right the >>>>> discourse & justifications have shifted to the right. The one small kernel >>>>> of hope? Some white protesters getting beaten again randomly & for no >>>>> reason being detained are starting to ask, "Hey, I can't believe I'm being >>>>> attacked for simply 'living my life' and 'being here'." No shit. That's >>>>> what African-Americans and Indigenous peoples and racialized minorities >>>>> have been saying for centuries. Duh. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Or, as a right-wing nutcase brother of mine once complained, "I can't >>>>> believe a group of young black kids stopped & yelled at me 'hey Honky' >>>>> while I was playing tennis in LA." He was so angry that these youngsters >>>>> would throw that epithet in his direction, unprovoked & without knowing >>>>> him. I thought: Great, a teachable moment. I asked him to reflect on how >>>>> angry he got that this happened to him exactly once and as a successful, >>>>> wealthy, 40-something lawyer w/ a multi-million dollar home. And could he >>>>> imagine how his African-American counterpart might feel who experienced >>>>> this type of prejudice, bias, and discrimination regularly from the time of >>>>> being a child right on up throughout one's life. No, not *everyone* would >>>>> act that way toward the African-American walking among them. MOST people >>>>> would be kind and treat each person fairly and with respect. But, that >>>>> said, how many in the population would treat the racialized minority or the >>>>> "other" differently, negatively, and/or with hostility? And how many times >>>>> would that have happened over the many years? And what impact would that >>>>> have on one's self-esteem, confidence, or general feeling of well-being? >>>>> And yet look at what impact, my dear brother, just ONE incident had upon >>>>> your mental health and well-being as a successful grown man. He still >>>>> doesn't get it, and never will. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So much more to say, but I'll move along as an "old guy" now. But, in >>>>> contrast to a lot of others in my generation, I have a different sign on my >>>>> lawn. It's not "get off my lawn", but rather "all are welcome - come and >>>>> hang out on my lawn & I'll even get you a drink if you're thirsty..." Best, >>>>> -joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski >>>>> >>>>> King’s University College at Western University >>>>> >>>>> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201 >>>>> >>>>> London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 >>>>> >>>>> Tel: (519) 433-3491 >>>>> >>>>> Email: [log in to unmask] >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> >>>>> *e**i*π + 1 = 0 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >>>>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Henriques, Gregg - >>>>> henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:47 AM >>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> *Subject:* Two articles on Policing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear TOK List, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For folks who are interested in understanding the divergent >>>>> “justification systems” that are operating about the state of policing in >>>>> this country, I recommend the following articles: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Heather MacDonald is a conservative scholar who has long argued that >>>>> the fundamental progressive narrative about brutal cops as an aggregate is >>>>> misguided. This is a transcript of her testimony to congress yesterday: >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.city-2Djournal.org_repudiate-2Dthe-2Danti-2Dpolice-2Dnarrative&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3iuwcYkHRZnEFgYRM6qQIiS881rilFlzdwwi5zNN8go&s=V2PL2QfB-3tIzhAh5BdnNOBU0qKAqPJKTAbKFbYi9is&e= >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.city-2Djournal.org_repudiate-2Dthe-2Danti-2Dpolice-2Dnarrative&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h6kB7iQCbvdCGiWf2dX8DsIsU4IDPEmOLWq59xpgmxA&s=2s_tONfe_Ppbxvo1_VFMw_2AtomzpYiwXjJUPwpWx2E&e=> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Nicholas Kristof is a liberal NY Times columnist who has long >>>>> advocated for social justice causes. This is his call for how to >>>>> effectively think about “defunding the police”: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_06_10_opinion_defund-2Dpolice-2Dfloyd-2Dprotests.html-3Fcampaign-5Fid-3D2-26emc-3Dedit-5Fth-5F200611-26instance-5Fid-3D19255-26nl-3Dtodaysheadlines-26regi-5Fid-3D35223894-26segment-5Fid-3D30632-26user-5Fid-3D8e4f03af2447d5adeb5069c9fb9bdf47&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3iuwcYkHRZnEFgYRM6qQIiS881rilFlzdwwi5zNN8go&s=ZgefpRwZt6cmG0xhpJ7W4uyU_b2jgD235CPqpIKRgtI&e= >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_06_10_opinion_defund-2Dpolice-2Dfloyd-2Dprotests.html-3Fcampaign-5Fid-3D2-26emc-3Dedit-5Fth-5F200611-26instance-5Fid-3D19255-26nl-3Dtodaysheadlines-26regi-5Fid-3D35223894-26segment-5Fid-3D30632-26user-5Fid-3D8e4f03af2447d5adeb5069c9fb9bdf47&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h6kB7iQCbvdCGiWf2dX8DsIsU4IDPEmOLWq59xpgmxA&s=pmUhEi7QK-PfiU3_NKYdXNTORTXOCsIISOzgZPnoEXI&e=> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NEXT MONDAY at 5:30 pm EDT we will be having Professor Mike Mascolo >>>>> offer his insightful framework for understanding conflict, and bridging >>>>> divides to create common ground. 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