I'd go with Frantz Fanon instead. Not as many twitter followers though. [image: image.png] On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:05 PM Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi Barbara! > Thanks for the link! I looked over it. It seems cool, I`ll think about > that. > Thanks also for the book reference. > > Btw, I did not mean that Europe has not problems with racism, I was just > speculating - from a pure ingenue perspective, as I am a psychologist and > not a sociologist - that the "american" and the "european" racisms are two > different justification systems. > > Thanks four your kind feedback. > Let`s keep in touch. > > Andrea > > Il ven 12 giu 2020 18:57 Barbara Ingram <[log in to unmask]> > ha scritto: > >> Andrea, I thought you might be interested in a webinar I will be checking >> out. The first module gives background on racism in America. >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.driep.org_anti-2Dracism-2Dtraining&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=W3HhIiPYtxcte7W1Yomtv-pGeN7yNfux9vuUGgBfPMU&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.driep.org_anti-2Dracism-2Dtraining&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=yIuMvqTyDrX5Z-4COzx_7ejAYsqasbANwyiQkN4SrzA&s=6UgcCW7SdoKyLq73hLVgfOQJEufvOaOCQooj2c9TroY&e=> >> >> A very respected book on the history of racist ideas in America is "*Stamped >> from the Beginning"* by Ibram X Kendi. >> >> Thanks for expressing your interest and reminding us of how different >> things are in Europe. >> Best, Barbara >> >> >> Barbara Ingram, Ph.D. >> Professor of Psychology >> Pepperdine University Graduate School of Education and Psychology >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:30 AM Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah, I didn't mean to get things simplistic, as I have a deep respect >>> for the black community. >>> >>> I just wondered if that hypothesis could someway match; I can't really >>> understand the violence of the police on black people, I think it is not >>> comparable to any other western State, like the mass shootings phenomena. >>> >>> Being a bystander can be a weakness or sometimes a strength, I think. I >>> didn't mean to be offensive to "America". >>> >>> From the outside, the racial issue is intrinsically paradoxical: many of >>> the most famous and influent VIPs all over the world are Afro-American, yet >>> a man can be chocked in the street while being filmed. Why? >>> It`s paradoxical, I was just trying to get a sense of it. >>> >>> Thanks for your answer. >>> >>> Andrea >>> >>> Il ven 12 giu 2020 17:46 Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]> ha >>> scritto: >>> >>>> Andrea, >>>> >>>> I think that the race situation in "America" is far too complicated for >>>> any outsider to understand. >>>> >>>> For example, some of my black friends tell me that black lives matter >>>> is a divisive tool that they want no part of, but performatively sometimes >>>> go along with to avoid the stress and heat from activists. One of my black >>>> friends is a retired black panther and boot-legger, and the other is a >>>> successful black doctor with deep roots in the deep south African American >>>> community. Another is a former blood gang member who now coaches troubled >>>> youth. And yet another specializes in black-mailing closeted white man for >>>> social leverage. >>>> >>>> Open to discussing further. . . >>>> >>>> namaste >>>> >>>> -Chance >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:39 AM Andrea Zagaria < >>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi TOK society, >>>>> I am Italian and I have never been in the U.S., but I have been >>>>> wondering for a while now about the current states of affairs in North >>>>> America, regarding the racial discrimination. >>>>> I have had several conversations with my girlfriend, who has been >>>>> deeply immersed in the american popular culture since she was a kid. She >>>>> thinks that the american hostility toward black people is somewhat >>>>> qualitatively different from the European one. >>>>> Shortly, she thinks that the main reason is historical: northern >>>>> america has had black people as slaves, Europe has not (at least not in >>>>> such a degree). So the european racism might be something different, more >>>>> like a "fear" of the stranger than a genuine belief of superiority, or a >>>>> justification system of exploitation. >>>>> >>>>> The nazionalsocialism and fascism could be immediately called into >>>>> discussion to deny such hypothesis: the superiority of race has never been >>>>> declared so clearly, yet the main hostility at the times was against Jews >>>>> rather than against black people, and also in that case the reasons could >>>>> be framed as historical. >>>>> >>>>> Do you think it is a valid hypothesis? Is there any literature about >>>>> that? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks four your posts. >>>>> >>>>> Andrea Zagaria >>>>> >>>>> Il ven 12 giu 2020 14:34 Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> ha scritto: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ari, Kacey, Zak, Joe and others who have commented on this >>>>>> thread, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Many, many thanks for these heartfelt, moving, authentic >>>>>> expressions. To me, these are the ingredients of people of goodwill >>>>>> attempting to come together to enhance dignity and well-being with >>>>>> integrity. I am very much looking forward to the next two community >>>>>> TOK-Thrive meetings on building bridges to create common ground with Mike >>>>>> and hearing the panel discussion on perspectives of women of color led by >>>>>> Paulihna. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> These exchanges make me proud to be part of this community. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Gregg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >>>>>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Wilson, Katherine >>>>>> Christine - wilso3kc (Dukes) >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:50 PM >>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Two articles on Policing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Joe, Yes, Thank You! I appreciate your rant immensely and hope >>>>>> you don’t retire too soon! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Ari, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> this is a beautiful piece you have written that captures so much of >>>>>> what I see white liberals and moderates in my generation struggling with. I >>>>>> have written something similar in my head many times, but have feared that >>>>>> sharing at this point would incur the rebukes and judgments from peers who >>>>>> would see me as a part of the problem, less woke, and worthy of disdain. >>>>>> Which perhaps is accurate, but not a palatable pill to swallow. For anyone >>>>>> with a heart or nervous system, these are tough times to open your mouth >>>>>> from a place of vulnerability or honesty, especially if it doesn’t resound >>>>>> with the broader chorus that is undoubtedly several beats ahead of me >>>>>> in waking up to what has been going on for centuries. I “knew” about >>>>>> racism, but I didn’t “know”… I didn’t feel it in my bones every day, and >>>>>> stare it in the face, and feel for my friends of color every time a micro >>>>>> aggression passed me by as I moved forward unaware of what had even >>>>>> transpired. That level of blindness is shocking to wake up too. Unnerving >>>>>> and horrifying. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I see friends teetering on hiding in a corner right now because the >>>>>> sense of shame and judgment from others, and a sense of not “getting it” or >>>>>> not “getting it right enough.” I can imagine that shame is a tiny fraction >>>>>> of what BIPOC/QTPOC have experienced for centuries. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I really feel you when you write, "This is an enormous collective >>>>>> wound, I cannot heal it in myself quickly. I’m sorry.” I am right there >>>>>> with you; the healing is slow and even catching the subtle ways in which >>>>>> racism, historical systems of oppression, values of colonization and >>>>>> capitalism, competition, and meritocracy show up in me are sneaky, >>>>>> slippery, and hard to catch, check, and change (and I can often only do so >>>>>> in hindsight initially). In many ways the “doing” U.S. culture I grew up >>>>>> and swim within has trained me not to FEEL what is happening so that I >>>>>> don’t even know how divorced I am from self and others at times (let alone >>>>>> nature and other species). I feel we have immense work before us, and work >>>>>> that is going to be triggering, threatening, painful, and require a level >>>>>> of solidarity, compassion, patience, courage, persistence, and >>>>>> collaboration with thoughtful, grounded, and wise leaders across various >>>>>> fields, just to move the needle. I think we can do this work, and I think >>>>>> we need unity more than condemnation of those just beginning to acknowledge >>>>>> the ways in which the system has been and is broken. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As a mixed Irish American, who is also a descendant from slaves on my >>>>>> father’s side (this is my great grandfather: >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.baltimoresun.com_news_bs-2Dxpm-2D1994-2D01-2D25-2D1994025180-2Dstory.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=-ZW-hfbdX3DogPpH0qvVjQVFDXZ1U4fOhluyfWnYWeQ&e= >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.baltimoresun.com_news_bs-2Dxpm-2D1994-2D01-2D25-2D1994025180-2Dstory.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=FrGmXlfrLBiNc77zgaKlqUBI27IndXHsijmxn28DcaY&e=>), >>>>>> I am a white passing person with a white-washed lineage due to a family >>>>>> history of fear of retribution for the color of one’s skin (that led to >>>>>> choices about who to marry and have children with). This history lives in >>>>>> our DNA, and is woven into the fabric of everything that the U.S. is built >>>>>> upon. We have to collectively take ownership for it, and figure out what >>>>>> legacy we want to leave behind. No two of us are going to see, feel, and >>>>>> recognize this time for what it is in the same way. And that is the power >>>>>> and vulnerability of “the epistemological problem” ( >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201910_there-2Dare-2Dtwo-2Dhard-2Dproblems-2Dconsciousness-2Dnot-2Done&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=VK0iYj7x1s1_gVwMLtr6Djpy-YmFD-Pa4zbD_ZJx-KI&e= >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201910_there-2Dare-2Dtwo-2Dhard-2Dproblems-2Dconsciousness-2Dnot-2Done&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=Po8TMQMAIGr_tEyI-ew7F-x6mT5878_8SQCxxDPUcog&e=> >>>>>> ) as Gregg has outlined. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We have to find a method, practice, linguistic tool, set of >>>>>> agreements, etc. to come together to really understand the summation of >>>>>> the collective experience, discrepancies, injustices, various viewpoints, >>>>>> to even have the right “data” to work with to paint a clear picture. Maybe >>>>>> this is what the “Singularity” will actually be about (assuming it is a >>>>>> benevolent singularity that works in the collective interests of humanity >>>>>> in general). So while the systems of current data collection may be limited >>>>>> and inherently biased due to the foundations upon which they operate, >>>>>> perhaps this is changing in a direction that, if intentionally and >>>>>> consciously employed, could curate a more clear picture of where we have >>>>>> been and the possibilities of where to go from here with the most optimal >>>>>> outcome for all. This is super idealistic, but I am honestly too afraid to >>>>>> consider alternatives that could be coming down the pipeline… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone has already figured out the solution, and can explain to us >>>>>> like we are six-year-olds (as not all of us share a genius IQ here, but >>>>>> still want to help!), I entreat you to do so. For what better moment should >>>>>> solutions be proffered? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, "young person rant” is now over. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s. for those interested in a faith-based perspective on racism, >>>>>> here is webinar from a Baha’i professor that I found insightful: >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wilmetteinstitute.org_centering-2Dthe-2Dpupil-2Dof-2Dthe-2Deye_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=A9Eoy9Kg28kDMRN0p7PCi5RDTH4bG0kFgEwzB359Xes&e= >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wilmetteinstitute.org_centering-2Dthe-2Dpupil-2Dof-2Dthe-2Deye_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=i1rcCRgDbLM01xS202JHUdwjRqZ8NC3pZdkooVqcKE8&e=> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Ari Delashmutt <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe's rant was pretty epic and knocked me in the head hard. It made >>>>>> some things click. I wrote an article about said things, Medium says its a >>>>>> 6 minute read. I'd love to hear your thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_-40ariintheair_inquiring-2Dabout-2Dall-2Dlives-2Dmatter-2D3a248f6e568&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=hB-jBbHX6L6YLBS7HG8hgaskiQaIqQg6k_DMPR8fXIg&e= >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_-40ariintheair_inquiring-2Dabout-2Dall-2Dlives-2Dmatter-2D3a248f6e568&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=zBJ6lBDpCiQ4Bhq3euXX5MZVnTU26c6Dwa6pgV0hj3Q&s=1nPhh9I2G6sNcfQdNXTlBXMG1P33L3umcXo8VIJrIXI&e=> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> With love, >>>>>> >>>>>> Ari >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 9:44 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for this analysis. Very helpful in clarifying the >>>>>> sociological issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Gregg >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >>>>>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Michalski >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:04 PM >>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Two articles on Policing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Colleagues: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> With all due respect, I simply cannot support a "50-50, he said, she >>>>>> said" approach to the analysis the state of policing and justification >>>>>> systems invoked to support particular agendas. Please feel free to ignore >>>>>> the following "rant" from a stereotypical "left-wing" sociologist, yours >>>>>> truly. I don't agree w/ that characterization, but what choice do I have? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if one could step outside of the political firestorm, the social >>>>>> scientific theories and certainly the empirical evidence - including that >>>>>> which Heather MacDonald (author, btw, of a book that I read a couple years >>>>>> ago titled * The War on Cops*) cites - points to deep-seated biases >>>>>> & differential treatment, as well as real-life differential outcomes for >>>>>> what happens to "real people" in "real communities." But the discourse is >>>>>> so tilted in the U.S. (even moreso than in Canada where I live) that it >>>>>> would take far too much time to make the case for why even much of the >>>>>> discourse even in the current framing tends to be far more "right-wing" and >>>>>> conservative, as well as at odds with the social scientific literature. >>>>>> MacDonald states that "I urge this committee to reject the proposition that >>>>>> law enforcement today is systemically biased. The evidence does not support >>>>>> that charge." And yet her own highly distorted & limited presentation of >>>>>> the numbers *still* provides evidence of biases in policing and >>>>>> disproportionate surveillance & criminalization of African-American (and >>>>>> racialized minorities) in general. And, of course, she ignores the far >>>>>> wider range of evidence that's even more damning and that would subvert her >>>>>> claims entirely. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But here's the bigger point. Most people ignore the fact that if you >>>>>> want "more crime," then hold constant civilian behavior and simply increase >>>>>> the number of police. More surveillance alone leads to more crime, all else >>>>>> constant. More people looking for "bad behavior" will lead to more >>>>>> observations, more arrests, etc. And who's in positions to "identify" and >>>>>> "observe" and then "sanction" perceived crime? Those in positions of social >>>>>> advantage and power. And that story has not changed all that much, despite >>>>>> the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Law enforcement continues to be >>>>>> highly skewed and biased, almost regardless of the metric that you use. >>>>>> Tons of empirical stuff does not even get counted, such as the # of times >>>>>> that people who are stopped for "identical reasons" if you could hold all >>>>>> else constant (e.g., speeding) end up being treated *differently* on >>>>>> the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, or any # of other social factors, to >>>>>> say nothing of human psychology, that might affect how transactions & >>>>>> interactions unfold. Where's all that data? Nowhere. And yet, do a thought >>>>>> experiment with me. Imagine if you were to test all the police in terms of >>>>>> their propensities for implicit bias or even overt manifestations of >>>>>> racism? What if you did comprehensive personality profiles? What would you >>>>>> find? And, then take that a step further. Despite the training they receive >>>>>> (often only 12 weeks or less), how might they end up interacting with >>>>>> "random" samples of people from the general public? What do you think you >>>>>> *might* find if you were to really study these issues in-depth and >>>>>> scientifically? Do you think you might see various forms of differential >>>>>> treatment, especially if "unfiltered" (although, apparently in the case of >>>>>> some officers like Derek Chauvin, it really doesn't even matter if the >>>>>> camera is rolling)? What would be the distribution in terms of the general >>>>>> police force, even if 90% were totally enlightened, fair-minded individuals >>>>>> committed to the highest aspirations of the "protect and serve" philosophy >>>>>> (btw, the evidence on who the police "are" from social scientific research >>>>>> paints a vastly different picture)? So, if "only" 10% act on their biases, >>>>>> what effect would that have & who would disproportionately be targeted? And >>>>>> so on. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And so the problems are far more deep-seated. If you want certain >>>>>> groups to be targeted, then increase police presence & see what happens. >>>>>> For example, what happens to "peaceful protesters" if there are more police >>>>>> around to "watch"? Forget the rioting and looting - how many arrests of >>>>>> looters have been caught on tape (and even then there are other issues to >>>>>> consider)? How many peaceful protesters have been beaten, or tear-gassed, >>>>>> or abused in one way or another? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If there's a call to "de-fund" the police, does that mean no policing >>>>>> services? Or does that mean shifting some of the funding to investments in >>>>>> other types of services, education, health, infrastructure, opportunities, >>>>>> and investments in "poor" communities? Even among self-identified >>>>>> "liberals," how many want to live among and work with the poorest of the >>>>>> poor, be the awesome teachers I had in Fairfax County in the 1970s (white, >>>>>> privileged, wealthy, and largely segregated outside of TC Williams!) for >>>>>> young people "at risk" in those communities, move their families & live >>>>>> among & befriend those in the poorest neighbourhoods, and invest in small >>>>>> businesses or have their larger corporations relocate in those communities >>>>>> to create work incentives? And who's providing the health and social >>>>>> services, working with those suffering from substance abuse problems, or >>>>>> coaching the kids in sports and extra-curricular activities? No, none of >>>>>> THAT stuff can really be "legislated" and you certainly cannot force people >>>>>> to live in more integrated or diverse 'hoods, but at least recognize that >>>>>> much of the funding and tax relief directly benefits the wealthy (as Billie >>>>>> Eilish might sing, "Duh") and those in positions of power, including the >>>>>> police & the military. Far more money is spent on the U.S. military (yes, >>>>>> that's *directly* relevant to this discussion) and to U.S. policing >>>>>> than to all other publicly-funded health and human services. Not even >>>>>> close, especially if you set aside social security (which no one seems to >>>>>> define as "socialism" in the U.S., but I digress...) But what's the >>>>>> narrative being advanced in halls of power and certainly by the Trumpian >>>>>> leadership on the right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot even begin to do justice to the thousands of scientific >>>>>> research studies that demonstrate the full range of biases and inequalities >>>>>> built into the systems of advanced-industrial democracies in general, to >>>>>> say nothing of what's happening in the most extremely polarized & >>>>>> militarized system on the face of the planet: the U.S. military-industrial >>>>>> complex, who funding exceeds the next 10 countries in the world combined. >>>>>> I'm sorry, but I have spent my life trying to understand human behavior >>>>>> and, specifically crime, violence, and social control - and none of that >>>>>> (or the best of the work by the top leaders and pioneers in the field) gets >>>>>> noticed, acknowledged, or built into most of the discussions. Speaking only >>>>>> for myself, I think I may have reached the end of my career in even trying >>>>>> to have intelligent conversations about any of this stuff any longer. I'm >>>>>> sure I sound like a raving idiot. I just wish people could see at least >>>>>> *some* of the arguments and evidence as to how far to the right the >>>>>> discourse & justifications have shifted to the right. The one small kernel >>>>>> of hope? Some white protesters getting beaten again randomly & for no >>>>>> reason being detained are starting to ask, "Hey, I can't believe I'm being >>>>>> attacked for simply 'living my life' and 'being here'." No shit. That's >>>>>> what African-Americans and Indigenous peoples and racialized minorities >>>>>> have been saying for centuries. Duh. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Or, as a right-wing nutcase brother of mine once complained, "I can't >>>>>> believe a group of young black kids stopped & yelled at me 'hey Honky' >>>>>> while I was playing tennis in LA." He was so angry that these youngsters >>>>>> would throw that epithet in his direction, unprovoked & without knowing >>>>>> him. I thought: Great, a teachable moment. I asked him to reflect on how >>>>>> angry he got that this happened to him exactly once and as a successful, >>>>>> wealthy, 40-something lawyer w/ a multi-million dollar home. And could he >>>>>> imagine how his African-American counterpart might feel who experienced >>>>>> this type of prejudice, bias, and discrimination regularly from the time of >>>>>> being a child right on up throughout one's life. No, not *everyone* would >>>>>> act that way toward the African-American walking among them. MOST people >>>>>> would be kind and treat each person fairly and with respect. But, that >>>>>> said, how many in the population would treat the racialized minority or the >>>>>> "other" differently, negatively, and/or with hostility? And how many times >>>>>> would that have happened over the many years? And what impact would that >>>>>> have on one's self-esteem, confidence, or general feeling of well-being? >>>>>> And yet look at what impact, my dear brother, just ONE incident had upon >>>>>> your mental health and well-being as a successful grown man. He still >>>>>> doesn't get it, and never will. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So much more to say, but I'll move along as an "old guy" now. But, in >>>>>> contrast to a lot of others in my generation, I have a different sign on my >>>>>> lawn. It's not "get off my lawn", but rather "all are welcome - come and >>>>>> hang out on my lawn & I'll even get you a drink if you're thirsty..." Best, >>>>>> -joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski >>>>>> >>>>>> King’s University College at Western University >>>>>> >>>>>> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201 >>>>>> >>>>>> London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: (519) 433-3491 >>>>>> >>>>>> Email: [log in to unmask] >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> *e**i*π + 1 = 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >>>>>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Henriques, Gregg - >>>>>> henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:47 AM >>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >>>>>> *Subject:* Two articles on Policing >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear TOK List, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For folks who are interested in understanding the divergent >>>>>> “justification systems” that are operating about the state of policing in >>>>>> this country, I recommend the following articles: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Heather MacDonald is a conservative scholar who has long argued that >>>>>> the fundamental progressive narrative about brutal cops as an aggregate is >>>>>> misguided. This is a transcript of her testimony to congress yesterday: >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.city-2Djournal.org_repudiate-2Dthe-2Danti-2Dpolice-2Dnarrative&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=a-pg3xY8B2HW2RQ-zZZ6M-2rZgXmEuuZgEBNlVzVJkc&e= >>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.city-2Djournal.org_repudiate-2Dthe-2Danti-2Dpolice-2Dnarrative&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h6kB7iQCbvdCGiWf2dX8DsIsU4IDPEmOLWq59xpgmxA&s=2s_tONfe_Ppbxvo1_VFMw_2AtomzpYiwXjJUPwpWx2E&e=> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Nicholas Kristof is a liberal NY Times columnist who has long >>>>>> advocated for social justice causes. 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