Micheal and Liz, thank you for your answers.

 Don't get me wrong, I am actually very far from idealizing America. If you
want I can share with you my thoughts about it.
Just to note the first things that come to my mind: Nancy McWilliams, when
talking about the "national" personality disorder, say that America suffers
from narcissistic personality disorder. Being a bystander, that fits
perfectly well. In her syntethic theorization, narcissistic structures stem
from a vacuum of identity: "I don t know who I am, so I cannibalize others,
I always search for a reflection of myself in others rather than genuine
relationships". Well if you think about the history of U.S. that is not
comparable with european history, it's actually an historical vacuum, and
the foreign politics (imperialism) follow as such. There is also something
shallow, rhetorical, forcibly spectacular, from my european perspective, in
the american way of communicating.

In turn, Europe is often like a liverish old man.

Il mar 23 giu 2020 20:12 Michael Mascolo <[log in to unmask]> ha
scritto:

> Andrea:
>
> The grass is always greener on the other side of the pond, methinks!!!
>
> M.
>
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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Mmm. It`s sad when people are not interested in fostering a dialogue.
>
> As a European myself, I have to acknowledge an important fact: we may have
> a great philosophical tradition, but often we are very narrow minded and we
> are not very able to connect theory with practice.
> The "american way", in this regard, is very much better. Better
> communication, better connection between theory and practice, more clarity
> in explanations. Many europeans think, often unconsciously, the more
> obscure you are, the more profound. They also like idiosyncrasies and the
> ego_biased tendecy to the paternity of a theory, rather than its content.
> Such an idiocy.
> That is the reason why, in my opinion, Lacanian psychoanalysis has many
> followers in Europe, much less in America (at least as far as I know).
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
> Il mar 23 giu 2020 16:18 Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Andrea,
>>
>>   Yes, I am familiar with her work. It is interesting and I tried to
>> engage her in an exchange to see the overlap between our systems. She was a
>> reviewer of the Periodic Table of Behavior paper. My take was that there
>> were clear ways to line up our visions (although I did note to myself that
>> there appeared to be a problematic dualism that you note). Anyway, she did
>> not seem terribly interested in fostering a dialogue. She was not a fan of
>> how I was connecting to behaviorism and she did not feel like I had done my
>> homework on European theorists. At least that was my read. Joe M. was in on
>> the exchange. He can pipe in if he sees it differently.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I think she has developed a cool system. I just don’t think it
>> quite goes deep enough into the descriptive metaphysical issues of mind and
>> matter to get quite the right lay of the land.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Gregg
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Andrea Zagaria
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:27 AM
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Subject:* Transdisciplinary Philosophy of Science Paradigm
>>
>>
>> Hi TOK list,
>> As my target article about evolutionary psychology as a meta-theory
>> continues to be commented on, I bumped into a comment by Jana Uher.
>> She developed a unifying framework named* TPS-P *(Transdisciplinary
>> Philosophy of Science Paradigm for  Research on Individuals) Here a link
>> for a summary: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__researchonindividuals.org_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Ggly1YpqMnsyjoXLL9lH1Gz08Yer06V-V4oLRsx_rPA&s=XMRpeKsM8-kZrzvQkxMaSpGeU4mDXWUK8Pd_ZdGIU5Q&e= 
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__researchonindividuals.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=PteCbF0_3SxYaCXICP5v7TZuEkSegG4Wve5qaszPOs8&s=ue8DIMAoaBDPSljWFGn0PKlYnHPRyaMgoovlsVqv6rE&e=>
>> I still have to study it properly, for now what I find not convincing is
>> her characterization of psychical vs physical, with spatiality as a
>> defining feature of physical and not of psychical. It seems, to my eyes, a
>> classic dualistic cartesian distinction: RES COGITANS (mind) vs RES EXTENSA
>> (matter). (
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__researchonindividuals.org_tps-2Dparadigm-5Fmetatheoretical.htm&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Ggly1YpqMnsyjoXLL9lH1Gz08Yer06V-V4oLRsx_rPA&s=aBZ1xHOJzqbGWUfSdiDL3MwGu0AtEciOSE6xO33Olns&e= 
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__researchonindividuals.org_tps-2Dparadigm-5Fmetatheoretical.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=PteCbF0_3SxYaCXICP5v7TZuEkSegG4Wve5qaszPOs8&s=9GUmoJJG6dA4ncoz_j1cuSWAYHuPoJpN6zPUxFPGkQ4&e=>
>> )
>>
>> As Gregg points out, thinking about the ultimate unit of physics as
>> matter is now out-dated;  it is better to think of
>> Energy-Matter-Information.
>>
>> Are you familiar with her work? Any thoughts about it?
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> P.S. I found out this morning that also Mike (Mascolo) published a
>> commentary on my article. I just looked over it, and still have to read it
>> properly, but thanks Mike….
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