Interesting take on this, Zak. Thanks for sharing. Your piece about your wife was deeply moving, and I’m sorry to hear that that’s happened - I can’t imagine. I’ll have to listen to the YouTube video on the way home from the gym today. Personally, I have not been on top of this issue other than having a general awareness that Peterson was suffering from withdrawal symptoms from taking his prescribed dosage. Clearly, as a society, we need to take much caution in prescribing medication. The study that I work on full-time uses Adderall XR in half of parents, which has raised lots of concern amongst our participatory stakeholder group, as well as within our affiliated community clinics. I appreciate this insight, and hope to learn more about these topics. Best, Cole On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:56 PM Zachary Stein <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > The plot thickens here (I was in touch with David Fuller, as he put this > together): > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DYbewqT6iBLs-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=UUC-kaAP7SuCQ_giwSAuRdTiu4sOKrq3kTO2M9Bkav0&s=hvqrAWfsKFp1mHIeoYnSO3jT-g7LLRiNgM1-l_xD30U&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DYbewqT6iBLs-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ayUPrpHB8wO1MQleWIPKkq0clDH9bFvZxa8zs0VRTdM&s=lGUlMLVzztYxp3tVkpoP3l6HcGVx-3jR5dhKEQy2xDQ&e=> > > This is an issue that is right up close and personal for me (as some of > you know): > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zakstein.org_for-2Dmeghan-2Dtestimony-2Din-2Dsupport-2Dof-2Dma-2Dhouse-2Dact-2D4062_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=UUC-kaAP7SuCQ_giwSAuRdTiu4sOKrq3kTO2M9Bkav0&s=rtXX1Zq7EdU5x1-3-mRt0iPdqCSOC-wq-rjq9W1yYWk&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zakstein.org_for-2Dmeghan-2Dtestimony-2Din-2Dsupport-2Dof-2Dma-2Dhouse-2Dact-2D4062_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ayUPrpHB8wO1MQleWIPKkq0clDH9bFvZxa8zs0VRTdM&s=1m9vS6SKVGfdFLrMVctAHPFZxdU6WKa9Axz9SeDJVqQ&e=> > > Couple more considerations: > > Iatrogenics is bigger than psych meds: see Ivan Illach, et al ... it is a > HUGE issue throughout most fields of medicine. It is the crux of the > vaccine debates, and plays a major role in COVID deaths (specifically, if > you are put on a ventilator you are pumped full of benzos, and opiates, at > the same time [which is what kills]) > > Peterson and his daughter appear to be caught in some lies with this, > having previously claimed to not be on any medication (meat diet cure). > Peterson was *deeply* compromised during the height of his influence, and > lied/misled people about it. Moreover, in this new video his approach is to > continue to endorse psychiatric drugs in general, and he makes no broader > references to any of the systemic factors that produce risks across the > board. Indeed, it appears his daughter is seeking to opportunistically > promote a "cure"--which is simply another medication (and if it is an > anticonvulsant then it is a medication that is actually *very* similar to a > benzo, i.e., have they looked at all potential iatrogenic effects from this > "cure"?). Many people may be harmed by their touting such "cure" -- this is > grossly irresponsible and dangerous. > > Take care everyone. > > zak > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:12 PM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I wanted to share with you all this podcast >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHLWgVpmo1e0&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Fje8E4vh-gQa4cAJv8zmSw3xXn3W0ujbLKn9MiNBtW0&s=nSEOUC_tTCN-V8iAaa8nq9ZGBZ9eYUwPFsgM1nGoFo8&e=> >> from Jordan Peterson's daughter, Mikhaila. For those of you interested in >> his personal life, this story is about how he formed a physical dependence >> to benzodiazepines by taking his prescribed dosage. His story highlights >> the extreme danger of forming a physical dependency to a >> commonly prescribed medication, and walks through his battles on death's >> door. It is a powerful and moving piece that really made me consider more >> deeply how we think about and use medication, as well as the suffering that >> people will put up with to be there for their family. 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