Exciting to see an update from you, Zak. Peterson appeared fated to disintegrate from the beginning. I feel for him and his family while at the same time I hope he revises his message to young people and learns that productivity and masochism are not the keys to a life worth living =Chance On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:55 PM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Interesting take on this, Zak. Thanks for sharing. Your piece about your > wife was deeply moving, and I’m sorry to hear that that’s happened - I > can’t imagine. I’ll have to listen to the YouTube video on the way home > from the gym today. Personally, I have not been on top of this issue other > than having a general awareness that Peterson was suffering from withdrawal > symptoms from taking his prescribed dosage. Clearly, as a society, we need > to take much caution in prescribing medication. The study that I work on > full-time uses Adderall XR in half of parents, which has raised lots of > concern amongst our participatory stakeholder group, as well as within our > affiliated community clinics. > > I appreciate this insight, and hope to learn more about these topics. > > Best, > > Cole > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:56 PM Zachary Stein <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> The plot thickens here (I was in touch with David Fuller, as he put this >> together): >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DYbewqT6iBLs-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=u8Hpy1LCQ4MHWsoxnLpKeqJ9XUHPouJAOlQnkIPqS2w&s=5YvFMsAYA-ZH7rFV2AXGpexmwsyeFOMWnMbbwVJ3UuM&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DYbewqT6iBLs-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ayUPrpHB8wO1MQleWIPKkq0clDH9bFvZxa8zs0VRTdM&s=lGUlMLVzztYxp3tVkpoP3l6HcGVx-3jR5dhKEQy2xDQ&e=> >> >> This is an issue that is right up close and personal for me (as some of >> you know): >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zakstein.org_for-2Dmeghan-2Dtestimony-2Din-2Dsupport-2Dof-2Dma-2Dhouse-2Dact-2D4062_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=u8Hpy1LCQ4MHWsoxnLpKeqJ9XUHPouJAOlQnkIPqS2w&s=KfUrnh513y7ycZI8pjSqrM-7X4rjoDijvbFgMN-z7qk&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zakstein.org_for-2Dmeghan-2Dtestimony-2Din-2Dsupport-2Dof-2Dma-2Dhouse-2Dact-2D4062_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ayUPrpHB8wO1MQleWIPKkq0clDH9bFvZxa8zs0VRTdM&s=1m9vS6SKVGfdFLrMVctAHPFZxdU6WKa9Axz9SeDJVqQ&e=> >> >> Couple more considerations: >> >> Iatrogenics is bigger than psych meds: see Ivan Illach, et al ... it is a >> HUGE issue throughout most fields of medicine. It is the crux of the >> vaccine debates, and plays a major role in COVID deaths (specifically, if >> you are put on a ventilator you are pumped full of benzos, and opiates, at >> the same time [which is what kills]) >> >> Peterson and his daughter appear to be caught in some lies with this, >> having previously claimed to not be on any medication (meat diet cure). >> Peterson was *deeply* compromised during the height of his influence, and >> lied/misled people about it. Moreover, in this new video his approach is to >> continue to endorse psychiatric drugs in general, and he makes no broader >> references to any of the systemic factors that produce risks across the >> board. Indeed, it appears his daughter is seeking to opportunistically >> promote a "cure"--which is simply another medication (and if it is an >> anticonvulsant then it is a medication that is actually *very* similar to a >> benzo, i.e., have they looked at all potential iatrogenic effects from this >> "cure"?). Many people may be harmed by their touting such "cure" -- this is >> grossly irresponsible and dangerous. >> >> Take care everyone. >> >> zak >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:12 PM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I wanted to share with you all this podcast >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHLWgVpmo1e0&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Fje8E4vh-gQa4cAJv8zmSw3xXn3W0ujbLKn9MiNBtW0&s=nSEOUC_tTCN-V8iAaa8nq9ZGBZ9eYUwPFsgM1nGoFo8&e=> >>> from Jordan Peterson's daughter, Mikhaila. For those of you interested in >>> his personal life, this story is about how he formed a physical dependence >>> to benzodiazepines by taking his prescribed dosage. His story highlights >>> the extreme danger of forming a physical dependency to a >>> commonly prescribed medication, and walks through his battles on death's >>> door. It is a powerful and moving piece that really made me consider more >>> deeply how we think about and use medication, as well as the suffering that >>> people will put up with to be there for their family. 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