Exciting to see an update from you, Zak.

Peterson appeared fated to disintegrate from the beginning.  I feel for him
and his family while at the same time I hope he revises his message to
young people and learns that productivity and masochism are not the keys to
a life worth living

=Chance

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:55 PM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Interesting take on this, Zak. Thanks for sharing. Your piece about your
> wife was deeply moving, and I’m sorry to hear that that’s happened - I
> can’t imagine. I’ll have to listen to the YouTube video on the way home
> from the gym today. Personally, I have not been on top of this issue other
> than having a general awareness that Peterson was suffering from withdrawal
> symptoms from taking his prescribed dosage. Clearly, as a society, we need
> to take much caution in prescribing medication. The study that I work on
> full-time uses Adderall XR in half of parents, which has raised lots of
> concern amongst our participatory stakeholder group, as well as within our
> affiliated community clinics.
>
> I appreciate this insight, and hope to learn more about these topics.
>
> Best,
>
> Cole
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:56 PM Zachary Stein <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> The plot thickens here (I was in touch with David Fuller, as he put this
>> together):
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DYbewqT6iBLs-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=u8Hpy1LCQ4MHWsoxnLpKeqJ9XUHPouJAOlQnkIPqS2w&s=5YvFMsAYA-ZH7rFV2AXGpexmwsyeFOMWnMbbwVJ3UuM&e= 
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DYbewqT6iBLs-26feature-3Demb-5Flogo&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ayUPrpHB8wO1MQleWIPKkq0clDH9bFvZxa8zs0VRTdM&s=lGUlMLVzztYxp3tVkpoP3l6HcGVx-3jR5dhKEQy2xDQ&e=>
>>
>> This is an issue that is right up close and personal for me (as some of
>> you know):
>>
>>
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zakstein.org_for-2Dmeghan-2Dtestimony-2Din-2Dsupport-2Dof-2Dma-2Dhouse-2Dact-2D4062_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=u8Hpy1LCQ4MHWsoxnLpKeqJ9XUHPouJAOlQnkIPqS2w&s=KfUrnh513y7ycZI8pjSqrM-7X4rjoDijvbFgMN-z7qk&e= 
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.zakstein.org_for-2Dmeghan-2Dtestimony-2Din-2Dsupport-2Dof-2Dma-2Dhouse-2Dact-2D4062_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=ayUPrpHB8wO1MQleWIPKkq0clDH9bFvZxa8zs0VRTdM&s=1m9vS6SKVGfdFLrMVctAHPFZxdU6WKa9Axz9SeDJVqQ&e=>
>>
>> Couple more considerations:
>>
>> Iatrogenics is bigger than psych meds: see Ivan Illach, et al ... it is a
>> HUGE issue throughout most fields of medicine. It is the crux of the
>> vaccine debates, and plays a major role in COVID deaths (specifically, if
>> you are put on a ventilator you are pumped full of benzos, and opiates, at
>> the same time [which is what kills])
>>
>> Peterson and his daughter appear to be caught in some lies with this,
>> having previously claimed to not be on any medication (meat diet cure).
>> Peterson was *deeply* compromised during the height of his influence, and
>> lied/misled people about it. Moreover, in this new video his approach is to
>> continue to endorse psychiatric drugs in general, and he makes no broader
>> references to any of the systemic factors that produce risks across the
>> board. Indeed, it appears his daughter is seeking to opportunistically
>> promote a "cure"--which is simply another medication (and if it is an
>> anticonvulsant then it is a medication that is actually *very* similar to a
>> benzo, i.e., have they looked at all potential iatrogenic effects from this
>> "cure"?). Many people may be harmed by their touting such "cure" -- this is
>> grossly irresponsible and dangerous.
>>
>> Take care everyone.
>>
>> zak
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:12 PM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wanted to share with you all this podcast
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DHLWgVpmo1e0&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Fje8E4vh-gQa4cAJv8zmSw3xXn3W0ujbLKn9MiNBtW0&s=nSEOUC_tTCN-V8iAaa8nq9ZGBZ9eYUwPFsgM1nGoFo8&e=>
>>> from Jordan Peterson's daughter, Mikhaila. For those of you interested in
>>> his personal life, this story is about how he formed a physical dependence
>>> to benzodiazepines by taking his prescribed dosage. His story highlights
>>> the extreme danger of forming a physical dependency to a
>>> commonly prescribed medication, and walks through his battles on death's
>>> door. It is a powerful and moving piece that really made me consider more
>>> deeply how we think about and use medication, as well as the suffering that
>>> people will put up with to be there for their family. It also addresses his
>>> wife's battles with cancer and his daughter's autoimmune issues.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Cole Butler
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>> --
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