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On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 7:38 PM James Lyons-Weiler <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>
> With your permission, may I inquire on opinions and discussion of root
> causes of the sociological developments in societies of the current suite
> of what are easily - and not so easily recognized as societal
> dysfunctions.  My intended scope is US-centric, but need not be. I'll
> initiate by listing a few issues.  Which ones are causal? Which one are
> symptomatic?
>
> *Profit interesting bending Science (esp. medicine and psychiatry)
> *Financial perverse incentives distorting Science
> *Lack of meaningful ROI of research translating to effective solutions
> *"Left vs. Right focus" masking top-down control (cf. middle-out or
> bottom-up) solutions
>
> Please add to/extend as you like.
>
> We need not agree, of course, but I am keen to see perspectives and learn
> of voices willing to try to *name the issue* and offer a definition.
>
> It need not be an "ism", but I suspect it is on the scale of "*Imperialism,
> Nazism, Communism*".
>
> Lately I've been enamored with the phrase "Process Solution"; ie.,
> the identification of an ever-improving process that makes the
> identification and adoption of a viable and helpful (valuable) solution
> more likely - so if you have process solutions in mind and if they help
> w/finding a name due to the present absence of that solution, I'd be eager
> to learn of them.
>
> James Lyons-Weiler, PhD
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 5:56 PM Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> I support Gregg in this!
>>
>> =Chance
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 10:39 AM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Well said, Gregg.
>>>
>>> I’ve not been following this Pinker controversy (nor am I acquainted
>>> with his work), but your points regarding contextualization of the broader
>>> socio-political landscape of the US (and West, more broadly) and the
>>> idealogical protection of egos so as to avoid offense both speak to me.
>>> Within the smaller circles of my work, I’ve lately seen the science and
>>> greater mission of our work threatened to be crumbled under the fear of
>>> offending some big personalities. This is quite worrisome from my position,
>>> as others seem to be apt to deferring these feelings toward me. I hope
>>> that, within the academy and more broadly, we can work to be able to speak
>>> freely [even when it threatens offending others (I’m not speaking here in
>>> the context of race)] in the name of the ultimate ideal of helping others
>>> through high-quality work.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Cole
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 8:28 AM Michael Mascolo <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good, courageous work, Gregg.
>>>>
>>>> M.
>>>>
>>>> *Michael F. Mascolo, Ph.D.*
>>>> Academic Director, Compass Program
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>>>>
>>>> "*Things move, persons act.*" -- Kenneth Burke
>>>> "*If it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well*." -- Donald Hebb
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
>>>> [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi TOK Folks,
>>>> I thought I would share this post I made this morning on the metamodern
>>>> forum I am on:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I think when discussing these issues, such as the petition against
>>>> Pinker, the Harper letter, and so forth, it is crucial to distinguish the
>>>> setting/community/cultural context folks have in mind. For example, there
>>>> is the United States as a whole. That might be one contextual setting. When
>>>> folks look at the US as a whole, then you see Donald Trump as the President
>>>> and you see the history of slavery and Jim Crow and the remarkable
>>>> inequities, and much like *@handrews*
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__forum.metamoderna.org_u_handrews&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=_lla770peQlgRBFfwJwSfFiONQdygXo-fy8wGS3q6Ak&s=oF_YzrY5UCQAolXMPE6cNw9JH0qdAlyWGQslIJHNo3Q&e=>
>>>>  argues, the general complaints about word usage or political
>>>> positions seem small potatoes.
>>>> However, when we flip the context to inside the academia or leftist
>>>> media centers or other left-leaning ideological contexts, the issue is VERY
>>>> different. I can tell you, I live in the academy, in the social sciences
>>>> (professional psychology) and the climate here is very different. We are
>>>> MUCH closer to thought/language police than people seem to realize. Virtue
>>>> signaling is everywhere, as is an almost Orwellian use of language
>>>> regarding justice and morality (i.e., more often than not in such contexts,
>>>> IMO, those who are doing the moralizing and shaming are not operating from
>>>> a “higher ground”). Not only that, I believe much of it is ideologically
>>>> misguided. Academics bending over backwards to eliminate anything that
>>>> could be subjectively perceived by a person educated in postmodern critical
>>>> race theory as being offensive is not where real change is to be had, IMO.
>>>> Rather, as I saw firsthand in working on the inner city streets of
>>>> Philadelphia from 1999-2003, there are deep class/race/structural issues
>>>> that need to be tackled head on.
>>>> If one is situated in the academy, one should object strongly to the
>>>> letter against Pinker. It justifies language police, which is a problem
>>>> inside hyper-progressive systems and much of the academy has been (is are
>>>> being) captured by this troubling ideology (*see the footnote on pg
>>>> 122 of this article I wrote*
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.gregghenriques.com_uploads_2_4_3_6_24368778_toward-5Fa-5Fuseful-5Fmass-5Fmovement.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=_lla770peQlgRBFfwJwSfFiONQdygXo-fy8wGS3q6Ak&s=MQ4zFryRZc6-i4sQiqrZFYHGgOzw33TjzpSB-H2qAOQ&e=>
>>>>  back in 2005). The bottom line is that we are living in massively
>>>> polarized socio-ideological
>>>> ecologies and because context is everything there are rarely general
>>>> positions (i.e., Pinker letter was “bad” versus “an important signal”) that
>>>> are defensible without specifying the context to apply to argument. Inside
>>>> the context of academy, the Pinker letter is horrendous and the signatories
>>>> should be embarrassed for their actions. In the larger context of a society
>>>> that has elected Trump, it can be seen as a small issue that maybe
>>>> oversteps but makes an important point on principle.
>>>> My hope is that those who operate from a metamodern sensibility would
>>>> have the general capacity to see that the extreme polarization in the US
>>>> (which is probably infecting the West) is a function of inadequate cultural
>>>> codes being defined against one another in problematic ways. We need to
>>>> disentangle those conflicts, eliminate weak positions, and work to seek and
>>>> create common ground based on a clear, rich sophisticated sense-making and
>>>> deep value codes that can stretch across the socio-ecological levels of
>>>> (in)dividual, dyadic, family, small group, community, state, nation,
>>>> transnational and global.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gregg
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