Very interesting, at the end when he talks about becoming more self-determined he's coincidentally talking about doing shadow work (the Jungian idea of integrating the unconscious and conscious). Such a process leads to individuation/self-actualization, which is exactly what society needs in order to effectively transition through the 5th Joint Point.

This notion of stripping our mental and biological systems of their conditioned sort of 'safety measures' and thus bring forth a more authentic version of ourselves is certainly one commonly emphasized in most all disciplines and fields that contribute to Game B-oriented macro level change.

-Nik

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 5:07 PM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi TOK List,

Had not heard a Daniel Schmachtenberger in a while and heard the first 40 minutes of this today on my walk. I definitely enjoy the way he thinks.

I encourage folks to listen to the first 18 or so minutes. It starts with some reflections on the nature of education and childrearing that I think line up closely with what we heard Prof Darcia Narvaez discuss on Monday.

Then the interviewer asks Daniel about his ultimate values and tries to engage in a force choice question between optimizing for length of survival versus happiness. The exchange that follows is worthwhile if you want to understand both what I am doing with the Nested Model of Well-being, as well as my “big three ultimate values” of dignity, well-being and integrity. If anyone wants specifics, I can elaborate, but the short answer is that there is a way to develop “ultimate justifications” but as Daniel rightfully notes, it is complex (and not just complicated 😊).

Best,
Gregg

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