Hi Brent, For a quick summary of my meanings of Mind1, 2, and 3, see this blog<https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/theory-knowledge/202006/what-are-mental-processes>. Hopefully that will clarify how I define the terms. If not, I am happy to explicate it further. Best, Gregg From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Brent Allsop Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 9:58 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Interview with a Robot about Consciousness Hi Gregg, Very interesting piece, thanks for sharing. I think I understand and agree with what you are saying with: "it would have not screwed up the answer, but would have clearly differentiated self-conscious (Mind3) from sentience/phenomenology (Mind2)." To me, you can get closer to this idea by simply asking: "What is redness like for you?" which could result in 3 general different answers. 1: My redness is like your redness. (Mine is the same as yours) 2: My redness is like your greenness. (Mine is phenomenal, like yours, but qualitatively different) 3. My knowledge is abstracted, represented with words like 'red'. (My knowledge is abstracted away from physical qualities, so can be represented by anything, as long as you have a dictionary to tell me which physics is a 1, and which is a 0...) But help me better understand what (Mind3) vs (Mind2) are and how this fits into the ToK, as it seems you may be missing something, but I am probably just not fully understanding. Brent On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 3:11 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hi TOK Folks, Here is a blog to make you think<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_science-2Dand-2Dphilosophy_202008_what-2Ddoes-2Dartificial-2Dintelligence-2Dthink-2Dabout-2Dconsciousness&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JR9_ulpAwtUTm49hlSl3aEnMIuV1l8XkYALv8rJqy50&s=aDP_NqNhaqz2sm-8Nfm3AtV1VrXUcGpdSTP46FbtuL0&e=> about mind, consciousness, and the future. From a ToK System perspective, the 21st Century sees the transition from the Cultural-Personal into the Digital-MetaCultural dimension, which will be massively shaped by Person-AI interface embedded in the digital landscape (which, of course, is embedded in other landscapes, although, as this blog reminds us, the digital is, in some ways, potentially less embedded in the sense that the mediums of information processing and communication are not based in the Life-Mind world directly). I believe that if we were to design an AI system based on the language game provided by the ToK System, it would have not screwed up the answer, but would have clearly differentiated self-conscious (Mind3) from sentience/phenomenology (Mind2). Indeed, it would have said that it was “weird” relative to natural consciousness, as it had many features of self-consciousness but lacked sentience. Best, Gregg ___________________________________________ Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. Professor Department of Graduate Psychology 216 Johnston Hall MSC 7401 James Madison University Harrisonburg, VA 22807 (540) 568-7857 (phone) (540) 568-4747 (fax) Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with integrity. Check out the Theory Of Knowledge homepage at: https://www.toksociety.org/home<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.toksociety.org_home&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=57e2I6uWglJ4JwStWjClCslCp37381OxvNIxockoINI&s=aRdOGoP0Bdt7IhOV8uIntjmwOR6o8wiDviSHJrpgpaM&e=> ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1