Like Cole I am very interested in these models. Especially after my 'awakening' sort of peak experiences several years back. I took a physics class in undergrad on chaos and complexity, but I've never had a firm grasp on many of the concepts, and certainly not the math. What would you recommend for me to do to better understand your works without having to devote a significant amount of time (which I don't have at all) to basically taking courses (self-taught or otherwise) on the physics involved? Regards, Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 7:13 AM Cole Butler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thanks for sharing this, Eric. I don’t have time to read it right now, but > I’m going to make a note to myself to read it at some point this week. > > I’m very intrigued, as I generally am of work related to the > nature/existence of consciousness, by the proposed solutions this offers. I > took a course in my undergraduate on the Measurement Problem. It was a > philosophy course, taught by a philosopher who had devoted his career to > trying to solve/understand the measurement problem in QM. It was extremely > insightful and interesting to learn. Some time after completing the course, > I sat in on a colloquium he gave to our physics department. However, the > problem seemed to fall on deaf ears. Fundamentally, this professor was > trying to show how conceptually confused we are and the linguistic > difficulty we face in even discussing measurement and using particle/wave > language. > > Anyway, given the difficulty with which he had strained himself to > understand the measurement problem, and the failure of the physics > community of as a whole, historically, to solve it, I’m intrigued by your > offering a potential solution that is so parsimonious while also solving > other difficult problems within physics. > > You might find it useful to share your work with this professor - his name > is Barry Ward at the University of Arkansas. I could probably dig up his > email if you can’t find it online, but would like to share it with him. > Feel free to let him know that one of his old students referred you if it’d > be helpful. > > My best, > > Cole > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 7:51 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Deepak. I look forward to learning more about this during our >> zoom call later this week. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> Gregg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> >> >> *On Behalf Of *Deepak Loomba >> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 16, 2020 5:04 AM >> >> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: Strong Emergence of Consciousness >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Colleagues, >> >> >> I conceptualized ALCCO Approach, which has been found worthy by many >> leading lights of our time. >> >> >> >> >> I have generated a theory for evolution of 'intent' from spontaneity or >> as Jeremy Sherman puts it - 'the striving self'. The approach discovers & >> distinguishes between Awareness, Life, Cumconsciousness and Consciousness >> of an observer. In a list of discoveries >> >> I made - the most important for psychologists is that of awareness: >> Awareness is inverse of stimuli-response-latency subject to three >> conditions. >> >> >> ALCCO is also compatible with most advanced neurocognitive approaches. It >> beautifully explains the differences between local and general anesthesia >> induced local and general 'unconsciousness', deep sleep unconsciousness and >> unconsciousness during a collapse >> >> and death. It also explains, why human body parts do not die with person >> - we routinely are transplanting 'live' parts of dead people into other >> people alive. And all of this has been explained in a physico-logical >> approach. Undeniably some abductive thinking >> >> and reasoning is used, but it is largely using deductive and inductive >> reasoning. >> >> >> My talk on ALCCO Approach, presented at the currently on-going 'Science >> of Consciousness' conference at Tucson, Univ. of Arizona is available @ >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_P-2DAX7X1-2D3ww-3Ft-3D4625&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=WO9DcDRgUvfkhWlqmfKpIZ_EOodlJ3LeDwYVlkGzKUw&s=zg1SUm4e_G7bWrcLA39joIhZPdzfJICCdsoqDtzj0Co&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_P-2DAX7X1-2D3ww-3Ft-3D4625&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JLS7W3H5-VbAYmmon62sekbHt1F9-qaj4CqTwCEj_ac&s=ulbqogGnyNc0w4pN_KGmmISCF1rB6teFDHuGnjYUnVM&e=> >> >> >> Summary of the Book 'Awareness & Consciousness - Discovery, Distinction & >> Evolution - The New Upanishad' with (i) Preface, (ii) Foreword, (iii) >> Contents of Entire Book & a (iv)summarized content is available @ >> >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1fr2hE8ER-5FIxIaE8tSws2dMcsql9yuiuSPUmo6mKVrnU_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=WO9DcDRgUvfkhWlqmfKpIZ_EOodlJ3LeDwYVlkGzKUw&s=eehKPYKKlysgEjwrrx43WOlMzp-ePBckHcWrchUqFjM&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1fr2hE8ER-5FIxIaE8tSws2dMcsql9yuiuSPUmo6mKVrnU_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JLS7W3H5-VbAYmmon62sekbHt1F9-qaj4CqTwCEj_ac&s=MsKKY0IamnhiwZ40q2kaCX1CK7hzaBa79s35hzfc7w4&e=> >> >> >> >> >> >> The book is available at >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.in_Awareness-2DConsciousness-2DUpanishad-2DDeepak-2DLoomba_dp_1692201220&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=WO9DcDRgUvfkhWlqmfKpIZ_EOodlJ3LeDwYVlkGzKUw&s=CTc51tSGmaTEoy2dw2G7gqrZS0i_ZIPISzb--EQ0xnI&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.in_Awareness-2DConsciousness-2DUpanishad-2DDeepak-2DLoomba_dp_1692201220&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=JLS7W3H5-VbAYmmon62sekbHt1F9-qaj4CqTwCEj_ac&s=44wVc7GwEPTJ89WBHO6eWtWQFk1o9s6lVBXRTASpc1g&e=> >> >> >> Will love to access your critique and then your support to polish the >> concept, refine it along with you to make it worthwhile. >> >> >> >> >> >> Truly yours >> >> >> Deepak Loomba >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/16/2020 1:07 PM, Cory David Barker wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Eric, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I am interested in exploring your work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How long did it take you to generate your model? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Who were your influences? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I will add, all universal, transdisciplinary, integral models will bare >> resemblance to each other, because human morphology has innate >> architectural, processual, and calculatory universal classes of experience >> which are common to our species >> >> biology, and which experience autonomously organizes into. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cory >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:11 AM, easalien <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To the ToK Group: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Having recently joined this forum, I could really use your collective >> intelligence on this. Recent advancements in research may be of interest to >> you. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Several months ago, I successfully modeled consciousness as a black hole >> analog using Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking, e.g. Big Bang, Electroweak, >> Baryogenesis, Homochirality, etc. The Mind/Body Separation acts as an event >> horizon predicated >> >> on Memory, i.e. Relativity of Experience (solution to Hard Problem). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The attached model strikingly resembles the ToK and appears to solve >> outstanding problems in physics, namely the fundamental nature of reality >> (Potential, t=0), Observer’s role in QM (Measurement Prob), Hierarchy >> Problems (weakness of G >> >> & Λ), and Quantum Gravity (broken symmetries due to G; Potential as >> Graviton). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> While preparing for peer-review, I would appreciate any insights the >> group may have on the matter. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_14qttxyDqPLcdrJNlh64htgtPKJO7pfQpvHTTiLneIDQ_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=WO9DcDRgUvfkhWlqmfKpIZ_EOodlJ3LeDwYVlkGzKUw&s=hIhRmEehbZVqTFj3F7qDNXerSBIJR_ChVY3l1oZDkNk&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_14qttxyDqPLcdrJNlh64htgtPKJO7pfQpvHTTiLneIDQ_edit&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=3bfjpoxZQg2Hgj8SYyWUtt7q36B-CUjFtoFflUcVPuo&s=enC2hNMgcEtgMsoiV7RrLIeDvhSHD4DaSQQPdACUsiQ&e=> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Eric S. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> P.S. 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