Tania - cool On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 10:06 PM Tania de Jong <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I would be happy to be part of a podcast from time to time – love all your > work. > > Kindest Tania de Jong > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *James Lyons-Weiler > *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2020 7:44 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Sam Harris Six Minute Clip > > > > A proposal: > > > > I sense a Big Shift underway here. Reaching the masses will take > consistent effort. > > > > I'd like to propose a four-to-six person revolving *Intentional > Consciousness Expansion * > > podcast, say, 2 hrs every 2 weeks. Four core people on the screen at > once, sometimes 1 or 2 more. > > > > My platform can host any number of podcasts (via WWDNYK - What We Do Not > Yet Know) - studios. > > No fee, but we'll pitch https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__patreon.com_WWDNYK&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vvJwkrx9MBedWZ0-vIpuKIiUwDMbffgp1ggWhcj-1tQ&s=0ANUXinAK1wp9QOXEQCd_9Ik6pTohhLa5Ewnq-_bcio&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__patreon.com_WWDNYK&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=ht13a2TaWUR8pHErfx4YopbzDYV9wm_DbC-J7MxJYPc&e=> > to help keep to lights on. > > > > If we start with four core people we can occasionally add a few more. > Round-robin discussion > > on the main topic of the day. And related issues. This community can > make a list of topics and well go at them. > > > > Society's hurting, let's put a little ICE on it. Call it ICE. or Big > Shift. Your call on the name of the podcast, > > I'd be happy to host a few to work out the kinks and then fall into the > background and re-emerge if I think I have > > something worth adding. > > > > I cannot believe I'm adding more to my calendar, but I have a sense this > is a good thing. > > > > Let me know! > > JLW > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 5:11 PM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Thank you for this comment, Manuel. I very much agree that one of the keys > that was overlooked is the relationship between language, > self-consciousness adds key confusions. I also wish he was clear that the > only clear examples of consciousness we have are things that are first > alive, so it really is more how Matter becomes Life becomes conscious. > > > > Also, let me extend a warm welcome to Manuel Manga, as he recently joined > the list. Manuel and I had a truly wonderful conversation the other week. > He has a magnificent and crucial vision for “evolutionary leadership > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__evolutionleader.com_pages_manuel-2Dmanga_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=HwG5mt4DrdLeucFE8trq4pm5tJfMlovGdzJeJbkZjdE&e=>”, > which is desperately needed in this time between worlds. His > humanistic/spiritual/scientific vision is very congruent with the ToK > System and larger Unified Theory Of Knowledge and I am thrilled he has > joined our community. It is worth noting that he worked with Humberto > Maturana, who, along with Francisco Valera. wrote the ground breaking book, > *The Tree of Knowledge: The Biological Roots of Human Understanding > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Tree-2DKnowledge-2DBiological-2DRoots-2DUnderstanding_dp_0877736421&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=VZJtLcpiYTu1sntQ3v3BVKp8kjAFthRo5p03dgCAfl8&s=1Doxw75yKx4ABtBbWTBKk36uJX5mv9wRsGJ-IqH5FKY&e=>*. > My naming my system the Tree of Knowledge in the 2000s was, somewhat > embarrassingly, completely coincidental. If I had done a better job in my > literature review, I would have come across there work. Nonetheless, it was > very affirming to read as it was a brilliant exposition that offered one of > the most advanced, consilient pictures of human knowledge that had been > offered to date. > > > > I look forward to future conversations and possible collaborations. > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Manuel Manga > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 3:15 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: Sam Harris Six Minute Clip > > > > Hi Folks, > > I agree that matter gives rise to consciousness. physics to chemistry to > biology to brain, to mind, to language. to me language is key to self and > consciousness. > > i wish that harris and others spent less time worrying about robots, the > matrix and ai, and he would focused more on how we can transform-evolve our > minds- consciousness-meta-narratives from a destructive species toward a > more sustainable-ethical- and flourishing species. > > > > we are heading toward some big crisis, so let's be part academics-part > evolutionary leaders. > > best, > > manuel manga > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:33 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I thought this 6 minute clip on consciousness was worthwhile: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vvJwkrx9MBedWZ0-vIpuKIiUwDMbffgp1ggWhcj-1tQ&s=UemTIA_PvvlCIjop8JviCdmqra-gT6_i1ugse3DupvU&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLpaDlIlqygE&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2FLqeiUFHf77Lo3raMI1QZAmIRjUxqXYC5HlbkqP5Ro&s=t49LFwBP5LSG1xmnqwKZ3-LKlRH7a_1qhPnJ-L5hRQc&e=> > > > > Of course, with the BM3 solution, we can make significant advances in > the “descriptive metaphysical system” that surrounds this set of claims. > > > > Also, I was thinking it might be helpful to point out how I would frame > his point about consciousness being the only thing we can know for certain. > The UTOK would say that a consciousness event is the intersection of the > ontic reality of being, epistemology, and ontology. That is, whatever you > are experiencing is real in-and-of-itself, is the product of a witnessing > experiencing functioning that is an ontological fundamental reality. > > > > I think Rob Scott might put it as the moment of “is-ness”. 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