Joe if I may ever so gently pull on a thread... That other countries have centralized PH... Beyond the fallacy of consensus gentium, there is this from the UK https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.spectator.co.uk_article_boris-2Dneeds-2Dto-2Drethink-2Dhis-2Dcovid-2Dstrategy&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=-O2E-TvgZEaGGe_k67NeM1hHPT2_8KJ0Nr_ckITxRds&e= On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:29 PM James Lyons-Weiler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Joe, > Thank you for your questions. The emotional reaction is expected, it's > common w/cognitive dissonance. Plus, I'm a newcomer and > people have published atrociously mostly incorrect things about me on the > internet. I appreciate the opportunity to speak for myself in this > community. > > i've addressed your other questions to the best of my ability. I hope they > clarify reality as my focused scientific attention has caused my brain to > perceive: > > But perhaps you mean, as Senator Jensen discusses in his video, the > centralization & authoritarianism from a political standpoint - and the > manner in which knowledge has been controlled and disseminated? > > > > *No, I mean it’s strategically insane in a world of biothreats to have all > of our public health response in one organization – geographically and > paradigmically* > > If that's the case, then I think we would probably find a consensus on > such a concern, whether that be in the context of the DHS regulating & > censoring Dr. Jensen inappropriately, or whether that be the large-scale > politicization of medical & public health knowledge from the president on > down through the CDC, etc. > > *Yes, politicization, that’s unforgiveable recklessness. * > > *However, the greater concern is the corporate regulatory capture, which > transcends politics and party, and has been endemic to the operations of > HHS, including FDA and CDC, for decades.* > > *US Agencies have perverse incentives due to Bayh-Dohl; they are > for-profit agencies that sometimes collude and sometimes compete w/the > companies they are supposed to regulate.* > > *The arrangement is dysfunctional and, as we now see, dangerous.* > > Setting politics aside, it strikes me that perhaps the types of > knowledge that would be helpful would be a combination of what I've > suggested previously & some of what you're suggesting - and I'm wondering > if you could do just that, at least for this list & in light of current > knowledge? > > 1) What are the most significant risk factors associated w/ contracting > COVID-19, both from the standpoint of individual health and susceptibility > to certain pathogens, as well as from a broader determinants of health > framework? > > *The groups at higher risk of dying with or from COVID are the elderly > (also true in the general population from all causes), the morbidly obese > (also true in the general population from all causes), those with > cardiovascular disease (also true in the general population from call > causes).* > > *What we do not yet know includes the true risk profile of these groups, > per month, from comparisons of cases and controls, and among cases and > other cases (the other respiratory viral infections I mentioned).* > > *The original treatments did not deal with coagulopathy; that’s now being > dealt with. They also used ventilators on protocol settings – too much > pressure for those w/damaged alveolar tissue. The virus infects all of the > way to the periphery, unusual for respiratory viruses. Many protocols of > outpatient care are being published.* > > 2) What can we reasonably, reliably, and accurately say about COVID-19 in > terms of comorbidity? > > *Until the group comparisons I mentioned above are conducted, not much. > I’m aghast that the public has not been updated. My medical associates > tell me there are no special protocols in place any longer beyond those > normal for flu. The public has no idea.* > > Or, to your latter point, what about the possibility of adjusting COVID-19 > estimates to talk about the presence of the virus or as "one of the > contributing factdors" in deaths where that has been verified? > > *Yes. Baseline deaths per month in 2019 should be subtracted from per > month deaths for all ages – year by year, as in actuarial science. > Arm-waving numbers unanchored to any reference point is scary.* > > *For example, my analysis of data for men >70 (Finder’s insurance data) > gives me an odds of death from any cause in 2019 within one year at 6.7%. > That’s 0.55% death per month for each month, so it’s a tough comparison but > that % should be subtracted at a minimum. * > > I certainly agree with Dr. Jensen that I would NOT want COVID-19 to be > listed as the "cause of death" where that has NOT been verified, or where > no testing has been done, or where it's just assumed to be there as per the > case of NY that Jensen cited. But I'm also not comfortable either with > people saying "It's a hoax & only a few thousand people have died from > COVID-19, so it's really nothing." > > *Rest easy, I am also not comfortable with that assessment. But we do > have to wonder how it compares to influenza – which I estimate (after > removing pneumonia not due to influenza infection, RSV, SV and coronavirus > deaths from 2014-2019) to be about 5,000 flu deaths per year. Not 60,000. > Not 80,000. * > > *See * > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_09_11_censored-2Dis-2Dcdc-2Dborrowing-2Dpneumonia-2Ddeaths-2Dfrom-2Dflu-25E2-2580-258B-2Dfor-2Dfrom-2Dcovid-2D19_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=PiGbzT92m9ZKPwx1eaXVKuYJWncO6os82bExFLpTDBw&e= > > *This is why counting “died with” vs. “died from” matters* > > Thus do we have the data to be able to state the prevalence of the > disease, especially broken down by the testing results & risk factors? > > *No, because the tests are not reliable. See Dr. Sin Hang Lee’s study – > mentioned here:* > > *https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.businesswire.com_news_home_20200717005397_en_CDC-2DCoronavirus-2DTest-2DKits-2DGenerate-2D30-2DFalse&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=llPwhZq94M_LOgATRFdrYU4PTlL35_K9abSbCCc5lk8&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.businesswire.com_news_home_20200717005397_en_CDC-2DCoronavirus-2DTest-2DKits-2DGenerate-2D30-2DFalse&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=llPwhZq94M_LOgATRFdrYU4PTlL35_K9abSbCCc5lk8&e= >* > > *I interviewed him on #UnbreakingScience. We worked out that ¼ of the > tests are wrong. I’ve written to FDA – they have never, not once, had CDC > or any other test maker determine the specificity of the tests. It’s close > to infuriating, actually.* > > And then can we adjust our discussion of mortality rates and qualify these > in line with the evidence & comorbidity? > > *“We” should not have to. “They” should be doing it correctly, that’s > what “we” pay taxes for. But no, we cannot given the current state of > data.* > > *We could all know if a study had been done on 1,000 cases and 1,000 > controls of people over 70 dying in hospitals all who had comorbid > conditions, * > > *all test for all resp viruses, all tested w/their PCR products sequenced.* > > Finally, can we discuss as well the degree to which COVID-19 exacerbates - > or does NOT exacerbate - certain pre-existing conditions and does/does not > increase mortality risk? > > *One of my peer reviewed studies predicted the now confirmed autoimmune > targeting of immune proteins by the COVID19 virus. So people may have > serious problems if exposed to the viral proteins a second time after > infection.* > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.sciencedirect.com_science_article_pii_S2589909020300186&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=Wy69yOVNsyw0Wv4mv_4Iccvkmv84uj6yd5b1dY8FHbE&e= > > In short, I still have a lot of methodological/epistemological questions > about COVID-19 - and the most credible scientific knowledge we can > generate. That's my baseline. Yet even if we get there, as we learned from > Hume, that will not tell us what we should "do" in response to cope w/ the > virus. > > *Sweden is done. I think we should follow the example in Sweden and let > the virus run its course, which it’s doing anyway. We should protect those > at risk, and, frankly change our #1 public health agenda to making sure > people have Th1/Th2 balanced immune systems. Those with Th2-skewed immunes > systems do not do well with COVID19 recovery.* > > But finding more common ground in our knowledge of the numbers, and the > causes and consequences/sequelae of COVID-19, would surely be a helpful > starting place. > > *We have common ground in wanting the truth. I truly wish I could say that > was possible. The 1K vs 1K study I mentioned above would help.* > > For example, I have a friend from high school who was in his late 50s, > overweight, and ended up in hospital for over a month & on a ventilator for > quite a period of time - but actually managed to recover from COVID-19. And > that's the other part of medical research I've never fully understood, > i.e., why we don't invest more time on figuring out why people survive > life-threatening diseases as opposed to succumbing to the diseases (e.g., > why not study the 5% who survive a certain cancer rather than the 95% who > succumb?). I would welcome your scientific assessment, or your summary of > the broader sci community's efforts on the above questions. > > *I think I answered that above w/the Th2 skew. T-cell counts could be > used as prognostic biomarkers. There are others. I’d like to develop a > prediction model* > > *P(Death w/from COVID) = F(BMI, Smoking status, T-cell count, age)* > > > *And formalize this with data from hospitals. I’m expert in prediction > modeling optimization via machine learning from my days working w/NCI's > EDRN. I'd be happy to do such a study. * > > *If your friend had access to Dr. Brownstein”s protocol perhaps he would > have felt better in the median four to five days> That study is available > here* > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.publichealthpolicyjournal.com_clinical-2Dand-2Dtranslational-2Dresearch&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=GV-cJ0CmPCO6T5aQR3JfYhDQLU50vQ2-iPfRSPOmurw&e= > > *Even Fauci is now saying to up your VitD.* > > *Cheers,* > > Jack > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:32 PM Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Dear Jack & colleagues: >> >> I'm intrigued by these issues, as I believe most people on this list >> might be, because of the scope of the pandemic & the social & economic >> consequences. Life has changed dramatically in 2020 as a result. And I've >> been trying to make sense out of your arguments & research, Jack, to assist >> with learning & understanding. With 11 points from the other day, there was >> so much packed in there and so much I did not know about, that I could only >> respond to a couple of items where I could bring a little bit of knowledge >> & perspective. But then I looked into the sequencing research you & >> colleagues have been doing, which is above my pay grade. I also have >> studied quite a bit of the research on co-morbidity, which I understand >> much better than the sequencing research. So, rather than bog everyone down >> with too much more of my inchoate ramblings, may I ask a favour on behalf >> of not just myself, but everyone interested in these matters on the list? >> >> In particular, you might appreciate that statements such as this "I'm >> tuned into a huge medical community not happy >> with the authoritarian centralization of public health in the US - and >> corporate capture of regulatory agencies" will tend to evoke a great many >> emotional responses that are not likely to help us approach the event >> horizon of truth. Especially since most of the rest of the world has >> centralized, universal health care systems that have worked quite well & >> yielded population results that are objectively better than the U.S. system >> (e.g., lower IMR, higher life expectancies, etc.). But perhaps you mean, as >> Senator Jensen discusses in his video, the centralization & >> authoritarianism from a political standpoint - and the manner in which >> knowledge has been controlled and disseminated? If that's the case, then I >> think we would probably find a consensus on such a concern, whether that be >> in the context of the DHS regulating & censoring Dr. Jensen >> inappropriately, or whether that be the large-scale politicization of >> medical & public health knowledge from the president on down through the >> CDC, etc. Setting politics aside, it strikes me that perhaps the types of >> knowledge that would be helpful would be a combination of what I've >> suggested previously & some of what you're suggesting - and I'm wondering >> if you could do just that, at least for this list & in light of current >> knowledge? >> >> 1) What are the most significant risk factors associated w/ contracting >> COVID-19, both from the standpoint of individual health and susceptibility >> to certain pathogens, as well as from a broader determinants of health >> framework? >> >> 2) What can we reasonably, reliably, and accurately say about COVID-19 in >> terms of comorbidity? Or, to your latter point, what about the possibility >> of adjusting COVID-19 estimates to talk about the presence of the virus or >> as "one of the contributing factdors" in deaths where that has been >> verified? I certainly agree with Dr. Jensen that I would NOT want COVID-19 >> to be listed as the "cause of death" where that has NOT been verified, or >> where no testing has been done, or where it's just assumed to be there as >> per the case of NY that Jensen cited. But I'm also not comfortable either >> with people saying "It's a hoax & only a few thousand people have died from >> COVID-19, so it's really nothing." Thus do we have the data to be able to >> state the prevalence of the disease, especially broken down by the testing >> results & risk factors? And then can we adjust our discussion of mortality >> rates and qualify these in line with the evidence & comorbidity? Finally, >> can we discuss as well the degree to which COVID-19 exacerbates - or does >> NOT exacerbate - certain pre-existing conditions and does/does not increase >> mortality risk? >> >> In short, I still have a lot of methodological/epistemological questions >> about COVID-19 - and the most credible scientific knowledge we can >> generate. That's my baseline. Yet even if we get there, as we learned from >> Hume, that will not tell us what we should "do" in response to cope w/ the >> virus. But finding more common ground in our knowledge of the numbers, and >> the causes and consequences/sequelae of COVID-19, would surely be a helpful >> starting place. For example, I have a friend from high school who was in >> his late 50s, overweight, and ended up in hospital for over a month & on a >> ventilator for quite a period of time - but actually managed to recover >> from COVID-19. And that's the other part of medical research I've never >> fully understood, i.e., why we don't invest more time on figuring out why >> people survive life-threatening diseases as opposed to succumbing to the >> diseases (e.g., why not study the 5% who survive a certain cancer rather >> than the 95% who succumb?). I would welcome your scientific assessment, or >> your summary of the broader sci community's efforts on the above questions. >> >> Respectfully, -Joe >> >> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski >> >> Professor >> >> King’s University College at Western University >> >> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201 >> >> London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 >> >> Tel: (519) 433-3491 >> >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> >> ______________________ >> >> *ei*π + 1 = 0 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of James Lyons-Weiler < >> [log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:26 PM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> *Subject:* Re: UHC COVID 19 update >> >> Waldemar, >> >> Not to worry about my surname. Please call me Jack. >> >> Re: your question, >> (1) yes, that is accurate >> (2) no, it is not possible to determine the proportion of "deaths with" >> vs. "deaths from". Various >> reasons have been given for the decision to default on "died with", >> including "autopsies are dangerous". >> >> The solution to questions is Science. It befuddles me why the numbers >> are not adjusted using data from >> multiple studies in which "COVID19" cadavers are tested for respiratory >> viruses of ALL common types, Influenza, >> Respiratory Syncytial Virus, syncytial virus, and coronavirus. >> >> Also, consider Senator Dr. Scott Jensen who questioned COVID19 death >> rates in Minnesota - >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DKpGeRFK0tao&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=G1zkPmpMVo-ksPG26TZieESICnw2WAPcjIYFOJfm6BU&e= >> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DKpGeRFK0tao&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=E1ba9o6DrFMmLC9TqxiDIJl95nwcEelGK3Fe0eXho7A&e=> >> >> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DKpGeRFK0tao&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=E1ba9o6DrFMmLC9TqxiDIJl95nwcEelGK3Fe0eXho7A&e=> >> He fought the medical board inquiry with facts and reality, and it was >> dropped in the face of the evidence. >> >> Here, a UPMC doctor updates on COVID19 lethality - some time ago now! >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uk.news.yahoo.com_upmc-2Ddoctor-2Dquestions-2Dreported-2Dhigh-2D025518228.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=xrRue4LfCHo-U7I2v5BWI6_liU7ZpW9-6AKExGvCoiY&e= >> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__uk.news.yahoo.com_upmc-2Ddoctor-2Dquestions-2Dreported-2Dhigh-2D025518228.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XQTjbMdRP7KRDEhuEdnEQ95qJmNTQA-9NrNOtx9HBts&s=NCkViJMEvzHtHP1Npo9GU2yzMf8qx5ACLK4B1ka3UOg&e=> >> >> When confronted with information that questions the official narrative, I >> try to seek independent confirmation >> from multiple independent sources. I'm tuned into a huge medical >> community not happy >> with the authoritarian centralization of public health in the US - and >> corporate capture of regulatory agencies. >> >> I turn skepticism into science on questions I can address. I was much >> more concerned about COVID19 >> which was alleged to have a 13% death rate in people at risk... but those >> numbers were offered in a vacuum, >> not considering the risk of death of people in those groups w/out COVID19. >> >> I think a very good careful analysis could be done and given the baseline >> monthly death rate >> for these groups from 2019. >> >> I hope this helps, >> >> Jack >> >> >> >> >> - *Your manuscripts, etc, bring into focus important questions about >> the natural vs manufactured origins of nCoV-2.* >> - *Your perception is that covid-19 should not be considered the >> cause of the number of nCoV-2 related deaths. That is, that the vast >> majority of these deaths are not directly so relatable. * >> - *Rather, these deaths, and other morbidities are instead relatable >> to either the patients’ underlying disease/s, their particular genetics, or >> both.* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 4:32 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Dr Lyons-Weller: >> >> Please excuse me, if you will, for having mis-spelled your surname in my >> previous message. >> >> And, thank you for your reply. >> It is helpful to me - to the extent of my knowledge of viral genomes. >> >> If you will, please allow me to iterate my understanding of your work. >> >> >> - Your manuscripts, etc, bring into focus important questions about >> the natural vs manufactured origins of nCoV-2. >> - Your perception is that covid-19 should not be considered the cause >> of the number of nCoV-2 related deaths. That is, that the vast majority of >> these deaths are not directly so relatable. Rather, these deaths, and >> other morbidities are instead relatable to either the patients’ underlying >> disease/s, their particular genetics, or both. >> >> >> Are these accurate statements? >> >> If so, how would you characterize the nature of the morbidities and >> mortalities which are appropriately and directly attributable to nCoV-2? >> >> I am curious because, irrespective of the genesis of nCoV-2 and covid-19, >> I perceive the disease as similar to but also uniquely different from other >> viral-caused morbidities and mortalities affecting mankind. >> >> May I also affirm that my original query was not a critique of your work >> - I am not qualified to do so. >> Rather, I am sincerely and deeply interested in the sufferings and >> morbidities affecting our species. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Waldemar >> >> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* >> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >> 503.631.8044 >> >> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* >> >> On Sep 25, 2020, at 12:46 PM, James Lyons-Weiler < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Dr. Schmidt, >> I indeed did address that critique, with science: >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_02_15_coronavirus-2Dorigins-2Danatomy-2Dof-2Da-2Dscientific-2Dinference_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=MaQj-FGTzcVBoAwx8kH4_kTUZvxu8uSG2cLsG1iRu3Y&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_02_15_coronavirus-2Dorigins-2Danatomy-2Dof-2Da-2Dscientific-2Dinference_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=-qGPwHrXsJCIL9sJw4x2aK_3cUMAZCNV_AlnT6ZygDI&e=> >> >> And see my full in-depth test of the hypothesis of lab origin here: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ipaknowledge.org_covid-2D19-2Dand-2Dsars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dresearch.php&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=CL1eGC4213-dB6M8FxKxmgfxdl6Hw9VfIauLv-LpCOs&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ipaknowledge.org_covid-2D19-2Dand-2Dsars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dresearch.php&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=mCAvwZCas686pJLlQ4-NaOdDkQ_PO7M252a7tdWVEYo&e=> >> >> The critique woefully misrepresents my position and the history of the >> discourse in which my ideas >> were explored. In fact, I offered four hypotheses. To this day, we >> cannot rule out whether the virus >> was caught by lab worker. >> >> My study shows that the spike protein of the virus predates the outbreak >> by 15 years. >> >> For a short explanation, see >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_03_16_sars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dorigins-2Dipak-2Dresearch-2Dexonerates-2Ddr-2Dshi_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=I8sEUfvUlcXdaIVgN-H-zaxKUGFFLyGfJfcqC7DY-P4&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jameslyonsweiler.com_2020_03_16_sars-2Dcov-2D2-2Dorigins-2Dipak-2Dresearch-2Dexonerates-2Ddr-2Dshi_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S8Ep1eTjEKGpps2VIX12XOEgPzoAmkLLlJ1KU7Rd1ZU&s=Ea5_Db6fGC-hf46Q7XqsBOICaX9xALJLLXH_qMvbdqo&e=> >> >> >> For the aged, as Dr. Brownstein has advised my elderly in-laws: >> Be up on your Vit D, Vit A, take care to have sufficient iodine, extra C, >> exercise, and ask those >> who may have been in contact with someone who is infected to not visit >> for a while. Avoid large gatherings. >> >> I would presume that these all will help reduce overall risk of mortality >> from any respiratory virus. >> >> Happy to chat w/you by phone if you have further questions - email me @ >> [log in to unmask] if you care to. >> >> Respectfully back atcha, >> >> Jack >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:32 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Perhaps Dr Lyons-Weller would respond to: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_pmc_articles_PMC7144200_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=zUqXA5H6YHB0e-NcHYC3WqTzCqiYHyGNcO7XmAdq8BE&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_pmc_articles_PMC7144200_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=LXRs4yqzzu7UNpsoi4dxktRCNm-Eg8YB58QSPK88ff8&s=9N4rqoeLCuVdoIeSsm7jNA121vNLktgKHlpac0QBlqM&e=> >> >> >> At the same time, would you clarify for those of us who are aged, the >> significance of the data you present? >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Waldemar >> >> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* >> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >> 503.631.8044 >> >> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* >> >> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Joseph Michalski <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi folks. Gregg provided some info on COVID-19 shared through JMU, while >> James has offered a variety of different reasons to suggest that "the data >> are off by quite a bit." From what I can infer, James mainly seems to be >> arguing that there are medical dimensions that are certainly more nuanced >> and complicated, such that there may be reasons to consider the pandemic >> somewhat less serious and more manageable through various treatments and >> different approaches. That seems like a reasonable assertion, or at least >> one that can be debated credibly amongst those who have greater scientific >> expertise in those fields. Alas, I do not have adequate knowledge or >> expertise - and thus have to rely upon others & weigh their competing >> arguments & evidence. If we are quite honest, then many of us - myself >> included - will have to conclude that for the most part "I don't know." >> Here, I'm channeling Daniel Schmactenberger here with the statement "I >> don't know." Not because I don't care, but because I genuinely don't have >> the expertise and the science remains hotly contested in some realms. >> What's salient here is the Daniel's argument from a recent podcast that: >> >> "I actually care so much that I’m not willing to have false confidence >> that biases me, because once I start to believe ‘I think I know’, now I >> just have confirmation bias where I look for things that confirm that and >> throw out the other things and surround myself with people that agree with >> me. And if I really care, that’s the worst thing I can do. I ruin my >> ability to be connected to reality at that point, instead just wanting to >> get confirmation of a particular type of social signal from a particular >> audience that will confirm that for me. And so I’d much rather be able to >> say ‘I really care and I really don’t know and that’s uncomfortable.” >> >> So, on the scientific matters that pertain to the behavior of pathogens, >> their mutation, and the human-immuno responses to such pathogens, I would >> certainly like clearer evidence & explanations for public consumption - but >> I do have to trust the scientists in these areas and their expertise since >> I do not have the same knowledge base obviously. It would certainly seem >> plausible based on the broader epidemiological & publish health frameworks >> - where I have much more knowledge - that we would expect highly variable >> risks across the population associated with: a) contracting COVID-19; and >> b) the more adverse effects. What would be most helpful, then, for public >> consumption would be a greater consensus on the importance of different >> risk factors in these regards. That still doesn't tell people how they >> "should" behave or what government policies "should" be, but it would >> certainly help place the discussion of firmer footing and more common >> ground. For example, if the elderly are at significantly greater risk, then >> one can debate the degree to which they should be more "quarantined" and >> "protected" - and what measures that might involve - as compared with, say, >> elementary school children. One then has to factor into the models what >> kinds of contact can occur and how that might be restricted. Speaking from >> a practical, policy standpoint, then that may lead to what has happened, >> for example, to my 91-year-old mother in her assisted-living facility in >> Virginia (I'm from the U.S. originally), where they've implemented strict >> rules for contact & visitation, etc. But that's a vastly different envt >> than your average Wal-Mart store. Our schools are open here in Canada, but >> there are some mixed results and some concerns (which I won't get into >> here) - and thus we are constantly updating our policies and responses. The >> generally accepted wisdom has been social distancing, masks for entering >> stores/fitness facilities/etc. (but not for outdoor meals at restaurants), >> and other simple measures that are widely accepted by the vast majority of >> the population - and more targeted testing, among other strategies. Then, >> when a nursing friend of ours contracted COVID-19 - along with her two >> 20-something daughters - they all quarantined & we delivered food & other >> essentials by dropping them off on the doorstep for a couple of weeks. They >> recovered without having to be hospitalized - again perhaps reflecting >> different "risks" and yet at the same time behaving in an obviously >> socially responsible way by not putting anyone else at risk. >> >> This leads me to a couple of James' latter points (#9 & #11), where I can >> offer some sociological insights, since that's my actual area of expertise >> (although I confess that I often don't feel like an expert there either, >> despite 35 years of training in that field, which is more of a mess than >> psychology, IMHO). RE: Sweden. Even there, the discussions are complicated >> & there's not yet really a consensus, even though there are clearly some >> positive results that are worth noting. So why not simply "emulate Sweden"? >> Because neither the U.S. nor Canada are anywhere close to Sweden in terms >> of the ecological environments and, more important, in terms of population >> diversity - and trust in government. Thus we have far more diverse >> populations with which to contend - meaning there will be different >> distributions of relative risk factors, as well as cultural diversity that >> involves different sequalae & behavioral responses, not to mention >> different risks of things like obesity, etc. Additionally, Swedes arguably >> have far more trust in their government & experts - based on public opinion >> polling and attitudinal research - than in Canada and definitely as >> compared w/ the U.S. In turn, that trust tends to be reciprocated and the >> Swedish govt does not have to be as heavy-handed w/ their enforcement, >> trusting the good will and intelligence of a better educated, more >> homogeneous, and more trusting population to "do the right thing." That's >> much harder to accomplish, especially in the U.S. where many of risk >> factors are exacerbated with huge discrepancies in education, wealth, >> languages/cultures, access to affordable healthcare, etc. The general point >> is that where you have less diversity & less extremes on a number of key >> measures, it's much easier to get people to go along w/ the program - and >> to look after each other in more meaningful ways. >> >> Finally, in regard to James' last point that "The politicization of >> COVID19 and early mistakes in policy (IMHO) have had immeasurable costs to >> society including deaths of despair," I would tend to agree. But then look >> at who has been mainly responsible - try to be as objective & apolitical in >> your assessment - and how the U.S. system lacked a meaningful, coordinated >> response - and you have to admit a highly dysfunctional system & far more >> that I could comment on than anyone would be willing to listen to from just >> another "outsider." But I can objectively compare policies and practices in >> Canada and the U.S. - and draw some reasonable conclusions. Yes, we wanted >> businesses to re-open here & have no interest in destroying the economy any >> more than anyone else would wish that for the U.S. or for other countries. >> But we responded differently. For example, we invested heavily in our EI >> supports (employment benefits) and extended these in far more generous >> ways, made sure no one fell through the cracks in terms of our collective >> responses to health, housing, and econ marginalization, and have invested >> further in mental health supports, as well as other preventive responses. >> And that includes in jurisdictions, like Ontario, headed by quite >> conservative political leadership. Have we handled things perfectly? Of >> course not. Yet our re-opening in phases strategu seems to be working >> reasonably well, the key behavioral changes like wearing masks in indoor >> spaces w/ the general public remain intact, and we are not pointing the >> fingers at one another or at our politicians or public health experts *for >> the most part *(but we certainly have our extremists here too, both on >> the left and on the right). >> >> In closing, I think it's still reasonable to argue that the pandemic >> remains a serious public health issue on a global scale - and much of the >> science remains to be decided. I'd rather trust the experts in immunology >> and people like James to work on these issues, and not rush to judgments or >> to vaccines. But I still have faith in the many scientists & experts to >> figure out the biomedical & immunological issues, if we can slow down and >> let them do their jobs - including the critical feedback and skepticism >> from the broader community that science requires. On the >> social/cultural/political side, however, I'd argue the issues are even >> *more* complex and the dynamics in the U.S. especially have created >> something of a "perfect storm". One doesn't have to be a Trump hater to >> recognize that he's probably not the person you'd want in charge during a >> pandemic. But, to be fair, I don't know that anyone could have led the U.S. >> effectively on this one, given the deeper social, cultural, political, and >> ecological problems currently facing the nation. I mean, it boggles the >> mind that you'd still not be able to get safe, clean water to the residents >> of Flint, Michigan. Compare that to our response to Walkerton here in >> Ontario some years ago. More specifically, if you're going to engage in a >> largescale econ shutdown, then you'd need to invest far more resources to >> deal w/ the fallout (such as mental health issues, suicidal ideation, etc.) >> rather than just let everyone cope of their own. Apart from the divisive >> rhetoric associated w/ an econ shutdown, the last thing you would want to >> do from a public health perspective would be to guarantee widespread >> unemployment and combine that with a lack of policies to ensure healthy >> access to basic resources, healthcare, and income security. Naturally, if >> you're not willing to provide these sorts of things for the economically >> at-risk, the small business owners, etc. - than you better NOT shut down >> the economy. You see the dilemma? Simply put, you need to have some >> degree of trust and "depoliticization" to coordinate integrated, >> constructive responses to public health crises, pandemics, and even natural >> disasters. That's a tall order when you have so much division, diversity >> and inequality in the U.S., as I can explain further based on my work and >> my field. >> >> Respectfully yours, -Joe >> >> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski >> Professor >> King’s University College at Western University >> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201 >> London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 >> Tel: (519) 433-3491 >> Email: [log in to unmask] >> ______________________ >> >> *ei*π + 1 = 0 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of James Lyons-Weiler < >> [log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Friday, September 25, 2020 11:47 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >> *Subject:* Re: FW: UHC COVID 19 update >> >> >> Thanks, Gregg. I'm going to upload for you all 11 points on COVID that >> will certainly be food for thought. >> >> As far as I can tell, the data are off quite a bit. As we are, I >> believe, a collection of realists. I should point out that >> >> (1) CDC decided to count all who die with PCR positive COVID tests as >> "died from", failing to distinguish "died from" from "died with". They have >> in the past convolved "influenza" deaths with deaths from other >> respiratory viruses (RSV, SV and, ironically, coronavirus). Only about 9% >> of >> "flu deaths" from 2014-2019 were confirmed to involve influenza virus. >> Dr. Biix announced this in March. >> (2) FDA did not require empirical estimates of false positives in PCR >> tests for Emergency Use Authorization. Even more recently, they had all >> test >> makers characterizing sensitivity, but not specificity. I have written >> to FDA wondering why. >> (3) Independent studies are finding high false positive rates of PCR >> tests (e.g., Dr. Sin Hang Lee, Millford, CT). >> (4) Coupled (1) with the reality that the PCR tests have false positives >> in the field use, mass testing (screening) will find more false positives >> in raw numbers than true positives. This is true for cases and deaths. >> It's the reason we do not all get CT scans for cancer every year - >> too many infections due to biopsies of FPs. There is no rule (that exists >> or that is in use) telling us when, as pandemic progresses, it is ethical >> to switch from symptom-based testing to mass testing (I've worked that out >> mathematically and am trying to publish it). >> (5) The safety of COVID19 medical care has increased dramatically; high >> death rates due to the use of ventilators are being replaced with low >> pressure high 02 protocols. >> (6) Many deaths have involved a strange coagulopathy. This condition is >> very simple to prevent with proper medicine. >> (7) Only certain types of people (with pro-inflammatory, autoimmune-prone >> Th2 skewed immune systems) appear to be at risk. Some think this may be >> genetic (lack of a particular initial "innate" immunity (mediated by >> interleukin-1): >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nih.gov_news-2Devents_news-2Dreleases_scientists-2Ddiscover-2Dgenetic-2Dimmunologic-2Dunderpinnings-2Dsome-2Dcases-2Dsevere-2Dcovid-2D19&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=j_SNa5HJ_uncN-VH2da_G-CxInQYcVd_C9LpQrMnTR4&s=AwdJTMQQiiM9Nxg2mQV6r-aaHh7uU7RwQyMJ_hKvdh4&e= >> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nih.gov_news-2Devents_news-2Dreleases_scientists-2Ddiscover-2Dgenetic-2Dimmunologic-2Dunderpinnings-2Dsome-2Dcases-2Dsevere-2Dcovid-2D19&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=rp42bcAc7ghxhiY3EZqDjJXHt9X3Sf3SFD6kThve7Ys&e=> >> (8) Combine (1) with (7) and the fact that in 2019 people >70 have the >> same probability of dying in one year as the Infection Case Fatality Rate >> in COVID19, a large portion of deaths were likely due to "COVID19 >> exacerbating pre-existing conditions" (get and stay healthy, my friends!) >> (9) Sweden did not lock down, and their # new cases has been near zero; >> thus, the elderly etc are now protected in Sweden. While they have been >> criticized for higher number of deaths in the elderly, this was temporary >> because they appear to have achieved herd immunity; we have not; flattening >> the curve obviously extends the duration of the outbreak, and there are now >> many, many scholars, including MDs and public health scientists who say >> Sweden "got it right". >> (10) I am editor-in-chief of a journal "Science, Public Health Policy & >> the Law" and I suggest a read of the case series by Dr. Brownstein and >> team, which I have attached. Many studies are now showing *protective* value >> of Vitamin D (specifically D3). I think it helps us fold our proteins >> properly, reducing endoplasmic reticulum stress (1/3 of our proteins >> require help folding in the lumen of the ER, and environmental toxins >> impair that process are increasingly abundant). >> (11) The politicization of COVID19 and early mistakes in policy (IMHO) >> have had immeasurable costs to society including deaths of despair. >> >> If you're into immunology, attached is a compressed file with some slides >> for a lecture I gave with .pdfs of publications relevant to most of the >> points of the talk. >> >> Cheers, >> JLW >> >> Immunology of COVID19.rar >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_10lXizA7n6nuiyV-5FaB99KkNYiCcGgLNIh_view-3Fusp-3Ddrive-5Fweb&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=O0smwdV2Fdlhve0s1cfBFstDpqb9khTMjI9hrZXTSUc&e=> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:56 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, >> I thought this was a useful summary of COVID that JMU University Health >> Center provided, so I am sharing it. >> G >> >>> >> *Global *cases now exceed 32 million. New global daily cases now average >> about 285,000. India continues to have the most new daily cases, averaging >> about 87,000. >> The US and Brazil continue in 2nd and 3rd place. Other South American >> countries (Argentina, Columbia) and some European countries are also seeing >> significant numbers. France and Spain are seeing a greater surge now than >> they did in the spring. On the positive side, *the death rate has been >> significantly lower in these countries*. The US 7-day moving average for >> test positivity rate has decreased to 4.9%, but daily testing still remains >> only around 800,000. Testing volume in the US continues to lag. However, >> these data reflect PCR testing. Antigen testing is becoming more available >> and being used more. States are just now adding these tests to their data. >> <Outlook-o04hdpqa.png><Outlook-tunqnyoi.png> >> *Nationally*, total cases have now exceeded 7 million and are currently >> reported at 7,139,553. New daily cases continue to hover around 40,000. The >> average daily death rate is around 800. This is significantly lower than in >> April. Texas, California, and Florida remain as the top 3 states for new >> cases. >> <Outlook-3oeb0tqv.png><Outlook-afhtij3h.png> >> *The Commonwealth* reports a total of 143,492 cases and 3,113 deaths. >> The testing % positivity is currently at 5.3% which is a significant >> downward trend over the past 2 weeks. >> <Outlook-lxlk1n5n.png> >> The Central Shenandoah Health District has also seen a significant >> decline in the 7-day moving average for test positivity, dropping from >> 18.3% on 9/6 to 7.9%. >> <Outlook-nk0mz1ny.png> >> >> *Locality* >> *Current total cases* >> *New cases over the past 9 days* >> *Prior 5 day data on new cases* >> Harrisonburg >> 2564 >> 518 >> 233 >> Rockingham County >> 1403 >> 199 >> 90 >> Augusta County >> 472 >> 38 >> 28 >> Staunton >> 250 >> 31 >> 30 >> Waynesboro >> 257 >> 9 >> 14 >> Shenandoah County >> 804 >> 13 >> 9 >> Page County >> 389 >> 13 >> 10 >> At JMU we are seeing fewer positive test and fewer people reporting a >> positive test performed elsewhere. However, we are also seeing fewer people >> get tested and therefore our 7-day average test positivity remains around >> 17%. All cases occurring in employees have been a result of either non-JMU >> related exposure or employee to employee (rather than student to employee) >> exposure. The reports are that face mask use in the academic settings has >> been very good. This significantly accounts for a lack of transmission >> between student and faculty. >> Vaccine development continues with new vaccines being developed and >> entering clinical trials. Two of the vaccines that are furthest along in >> development are m-RNA vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer). However, there is a >> very interesting and concerning logistic related to these vaccines-the cold >> chain storage required. These vaccines require storage at -94 degrees >> Fahrenheit (yes, minus 94). Transport would require storage in dry ice. >> These vaccines last 24 hours at refrigerated temperatures between 36.6-46.4 >> Fahrenheit. In contrast, vaccines under development by Sanofi and Novavax >> are stable for months at typical refrigerated temperatures. >> Johnson & Johnson has a single dose vaccine entering phase 3 trials while >> Merck and Sanofi (both well-known and well-respected in vaccine >> development) have vaccines in development and entering clinical trials. An >> important factor is the corporate knowledge, infrastructure, and ability of >> these two companies to both vaccine development and large-scale production. >> They may be late in the game but they should not be counted out. This >> article >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.statnews.com_2020_09_24_here-2Dcome-2Dthe-2Dtortoises-2Din-2Dthe-2Drace-2Dfor-2Da-2Dcovid-2D19-2Dvaccine-2Dslow-2Dstarters-2Dcould-2Dstill-2Dwin-2Dout_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=vCxqv7KrcvNrv2RSxUNtwDOOAoIOSEteZy_ixuypMUs&s=-LgSClvKm4eb9XM_TzRo26jPfnNUT2LnjptOkglHrec&e=> >> covers some information about vaccines in trials and development. >> It seems very unlikely there will be a single winning vaccine-at least in >> the beginning. Time will tell which vaccine approach seems to work best >> with the optimal immune response and duration. >> As an aside, recently the head of the CDC (Robert Redfield) commented >> that mask wearing was likely to be more effective than any vaccine. “I >> might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to >> protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,” Redfield said >> while testifying before the Senate Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human >> Services on expectations around the release of COVID-19 vaccines. He was >> not indicating that vaccine are not likely to be effective but instead on >> the value of masks as a preventative measure. He may also have been >> forecasting the need for mask use even when vaccines are available. >> Enjoy the beautiful weekend! >> Andy Guertler >> Andrew T. 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