A few years ago at James Madison University I had the privilege to be present for a Q and A with some google creativity and innovative department types (sorry, I don't know the titles and specifics). My question was, "What does your team do to safeguard against the ill effects of your creations on society, and if nothing, do you think you should?" Answer was "nothing and no" I don't remember him saying anything about bicycles tho On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 12:31 PM Brent Cooper <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Documentaries are always important, but here is a very important critique > of The Social Dilemma. There's others as well. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jacobinmag.com_2020_09_social-2Dmedia-2Dplatform-2Dcapitalism-2Dthe-2Dsocial-2Ddilemma&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=2nkxm4V4dn_3Ar3IjIUMtxm6uAcuoOxlUoWzGuVPHJk&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__jacobinmag.com_2020_09_social-2Dmedia-2Dplatform-2Dcapitalism-2Dthe-2Dsocial-2Ddilemma&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kRI9v7qBA9YeWRagoOm3fknaqEJ7QOyCD2fqAU0gibg&s=-JdWxZCiGQHYaxVxRifG_uhmMDBsGvgq8MnZUjzHHFA&e=> > > Also, here's Tristan Harris being taken to task on twitter for making up > nonsense and being ahistorical about bicycles: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_deaneckles_status_1304155746033176576-3Fs-3D20&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=3NsSdatSURZpMzfyAhuY1flaVnanDCLwSCq0PggUqYw&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_deaneckles_status_1304155746033176576-3Fs-3D20&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kRI9v7qBA9YeWRagoOm3fknaqEJ7QOyCD2fqAU0gibg&s=W8gmOopqNbZ_fsRwuQmPbf8zGNhMzHuuu43bSOnVNVE&e=> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_HeatherHeight_status_1303853544253067264-3Fs-3D20&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=FSzwkVVQSuonnKIdbIpFYi0kCRh5eOh6liaqKTcDY9A&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_HeatherHeight_status_1303853544253067264-3Fs-3D20&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kRI9v7qBA9YeWRagoOm3fknaqEJ7QOyCD2fqAU0gibg&s=3FB9_aJCrJ3ldRLz0_HIMJT4LNADsg_rCOSYweIgo6I&e=> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_taylordbarkley_status_1303854543671828480-3Fs-3D20&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=YtLovHmp9QFjrUrKF8Zn01RsZcoWqxL6o6APr5tU0GE&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_taylordbarkley_status_1303854543671828480-3Fs-3D20&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kRI9v7qBA9YeWRagoOm3fknaqEJ7QOyCD2fqAU0gibg&s=eD1EqoXhGag3Ybh1SlMHFg6IAf-vmMS6Vu_6UrSz7ck&e=> > > Regards, > > Brent > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:32 PM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Gregg & all other colleagues, >> >> A few years ago I had advanced a new theory on resources in the process >> of researching and discovering for ourselves the meaning of risk. Which we >> internally (within our Company) defined as >> *"the probability of declassification of a resource as unfruitful". * >> >> This provoked me to develop a whole matrix for our internal purposes. >> Which I did publish, but yet then there was no time for any academic >> parleys as I was leading large Company. The result was >> >> *"Unified Theory of Resources, Exponential Progress, Competition & >> Coefficient of Socio-Economic Relevance"*. The original text and full >> pdf is available @ >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_324546145-5FUnified-5FTheory-5Fof-5FResources-5FExponential-5FProgress-5FCompetition-5FCoefficient-5Fof-5FSocio-2DEconomic-5FRelevance&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=bKHeDIxEtGj_L3OssGTEE3IbZPSRNSpif544ibVgu1I&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_324546145-5FUnified-5FTheory-5Fof-5FResources-5FExponential-5FProgress-5FCompetition-5FCoefficient-5Fof-5FSocio-2DEconomic-5FRelevance&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CcX3H8mf8HqZSaKbWR2ICMavenSSlyWuNNeswESGpvM&s=buHqVLm0_Q60_dFFnvllMyiHVmc2gvRYZNKFV3r8tds&e=> >> >> I am sure to those who in the group, work (have interest) in the area of >> Monetary policies & Economics will make through it, delightfully. >> >> An excerpt from the paper: >> >> *"Derived from this natural propensity among people to increase the >> Assistance/consumption of others’ resources is the concept of Power."* >> >> *TY* >> *DL* >> >> >> On 10/1/2020 5:01 PM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: >> >> Here is one way to think about this issue in the language of the Unified >> Theory: >> >> >> >> The Influence Matrix >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_8-2Dkey-2Dideas_the-2Dinfluence-2Dmatrix&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CcX3H8mf8HqZSaKbWR2ICMavenSSlyWuNNeswESGpvM&s=fVprWqhCIG4bGKWlerW9bbf5GjMAY2FX-gBOhR-wnRY&e=> >> maps human social motivation and emotion. It claims that there is a key >> motivational line, the RV-SI line (AKA the black line), which stands for >> “Relational Value and Social Influence”. Social influence refers to the >> pragmatic capacity to get others to act in accordance with your interests. >> Relational value refers to the felt sense of being known and valued by >> important others. >> >> >> >> These are related concepts in that others who know and value us will >> willingly work on our behalf. >> >> >> >> However, they are also obviously different in that we can influence >> others or be influenced by others in ways that are in diametric opposition >> to relational value. >> >> >> >> Capitalist systems focus on pragmatic, material social influence, not >> relational value. That is one of the great, deep changes we need to make. >> We need to think in terms of “mutual social capital” that maximizes the >> potential of each person being known and valued by important others. >> >> >> >> This is an insight that I know Chance gets deeply. And I value him for it >> 😉… >> >> >> Best, >> >> Gregg >> >> >> >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion >> <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> *On >> Behalf Of *paul marshall >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2020 6:54 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: ‘The Social Dilemma’ Is About To Become The First >> Documentary On Netflix To Achieve This Incredible Milestone >> >> >> >> Well said Chance. We need to shift from a bottom line based on maximising >> money and power to one based on human flourishing. Michael Lerner, in his >> book *Revolutionary Love* (2019), gives a nice definition of this new >> bottom line as one that: >> >> >> >> … judges our institutions, our economy, our political lives, our legal >> system, our cultural institutions, our educational system, and every aspect >> of our society as productive, efficient, or rational to the extent that >> they maximize our human capacities to be loving, generous, and caring >> towards each other and toward the Earth, ethically and environmentally >> responsible, and committed to social, economic, and environmental justice; >> and to the extent to which they promote joy, playfulness, compassion and >> empathy, self-acceptance, humor, and aesthetic creativity, health and >> thanksgiving for life in all its forms, love of learning science and >> literature, repentance and forgiveness, treatment of all human beings as >> embodiments of the sacred and not just instrumentally as means to our own >> ends, and a response to our universe and our planet Earth that is filled >> with awe, wonder, and radical amazement (rather than seeing them only as >> resources to fill human needs) (Lerner, 2019: 151-2). >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 7:23 AM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Chance, >> >> I am so much with you on this. Seems brevity and eloquence are sisters to >> you. :-) >> >> TY >> >> >> >> On 10/1/2020 8:25 AM, Chance McDermott wrote: >> >> With a guaranteed safety net to basic human needs (good food, clean >> water, safe shelter), Capitalism could be about opportunity and freedom. >> >> >> >> As it stands, it functions as feudalism. >> >> >> >> One of the privileges of being a therapist is seeing behind so many >> curtains. *SUCCESS! and DRIVE! *lose their romanticism when you get to >> see the abject misery of those propping of the sham of their own bravado, >> the insipid, serpentine vapidity of the successful psychopath, or the >> suicidal narcissists who's delusions of infinite expansion have left them >> struggling in the heavy folds of their deflated egos when the facade is >> popped by the realization they were carrying water for someone else (often >> an abusive father figure). >> >> >> >> A society focused on "making money" is a dead society, for those who >> adhere to it are slaves, and those at the top are empty wraiths or stupid >> demons. >> >> >> >> =Chance >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:56 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Thank you, Eric. >> >> We seem to be in considerable agreement. >> >> I have no idea how to “fix” USA capitalism - unfortunately. >> >> But a sound national discussion, sans diatribes, seems a place to begin >> the dialectic process. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Waldemar >> >> >> >> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* >> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >> 503.631.8044 >> >> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* >> >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2020, at 6:36 PM, easalien <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dr. Schmidt, >> >> >> >> I fully agree with your assessment that capitalism is more effective than >> feudalism. As concepts go, capitalism is the most efficient economic system >> we have generating innovation and opportunity. However, I think we can >> agree the system hasn’t worked as advertised. Wages are relatively >> stagnant, workers increasingly displaced by AI, and wealthiest 20% controls >> 90% of the country’s assets. While the philosophical arguments are duly >> noted, we shouldn’t lose sight of conditions on the ground. >> >> >> >> According to General Equilibrium analysis by Stanford Nobel laureate, >> Kenneth Arrow, free markets are generally efficient when it comes to >> establishing fair price points. However, the equilibrium breaks down when >> there’s a discrepancy in the respective knowledge of supplier and consumer, >> e.g. doctor/patient. In this case, patients expect the system to reasonably >> offset their personal ignorance to ensure a fair transaction. However this >> doesn’t always occur. Insurers and health providers, trying to maximize >> profit, end up jockeying for position often at patient expense. Buying >> celery isn’t the same as getting a kidney transplant. >> >> >> >> We both agree that the system can perform immensely better than it >> currently does, even if we disagree how it should go about it. It’s my >> contention that, given the deference to shareholders, our best path forward >> is converting workers into equal-voting shareholders so more can share >> collectively in market growth. Like you said, we don’t have to reinvent the >> wheel. >> >> >> >> James, >> >> >> >> Appreciate the response. I’m also reticent to employ the glass analogy. >> (Half-full of what exactly?) However, while I generally agree with the >> Kantian maxim, I don’t fully accept morality as purely an individual >> exercise. It’s a conversation between equals. >> >> >> >> While it’s laudable to individually assert fairness in the free market, >> this isn’t “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.” There’s only so much individuals >> can do in the face of concerted sustained efforts of highly-capitalized >> organizations. The idea of equality is great. It just hasn’t been born out >> in practice. >> >> >> >> Ethical capitalism is increasingly an oxymoron. The market often punishes >> fair moral behavior, at least in the short term. In the long run, we need >> it, but it doesn’t currently help with quarterly earnings. Instead of >> focusing on the “free” aspect of the economy, we need to acknowledge the >> “fair” aspect as well. Without it, capitalism is just a kleptocracy. >> >> >> >> I agree the adoption of Friendman’s shareholder theory has generally led >> to amoral practices. However, what if there were a way to reorient its >> incentives? Instead of treating workers as replaceable cogs in the machine, >> we could treat them as the primary shareholders. This would provide >> leverage over corporate governance, shared access to capital, dividend as >> UBI, etc. Everyone could now share in the innovation of broad market-driven >> prosperity. >> >> >> >> Seems pretty straightforward. >> >> >> >> Eric S. >> >> >> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, James Lyons-Weiler < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Eric and Waldemar: >> >> >> >> Re: Glass half-empty vs. half full, >> >> >> >> My 2c worth, I am not so optimistic that it's a glass. >> >> >> >> Historical analyses of the failure of nations tells us it's not so much >> as having or keeping >> >> water in a glass. It's more like keeping your boat afloat, and we cannot >> float with >> >> half-built, half-unbuilt hulls. >> >> >> >> Ethical capitalism is a personal decision w/each and every transaction, >> use or non-use of information on >> >> investment, and short-sell, setting a price and consumer choice. The >> larger-scale arrangements of nations >> >> and their economies also determine the intactness of the hull. >> >> >> >> The best secular basis of all morality that I know of is Kant's missive >> (roughly speaking) to "generalize your maxims". >> >> If it's right for you, it should be right for everyone. There remains >> plenty of room within "if it's right for you" to accommodate viewpoints. >> >> >> >> If we are to have a free market, it is up the individual to enforce the >> practices of policies of free market capitalism >> >> as if everything depends on it - because it does. Every act of cheating >> in a free market is the consumption of a >> >> small piece of freedom, leaving one a "market". That's a >> self-actualizing reality independent of whether >> >> it leads to more government regulation. >> >> >> >> Corporatist amoral practices such as price fixing, rigging regulation to >> your utmost advantage, finding ways to open utterly >> >> unnecessary "new markets" are examples of rot that erodes the hull. >> >> >> >> It does no good to be the predominant maker of useful and harmful widgets >> via manipulation of public perception >> >> and marketing with stock of high value if the net effect of generalizing >> the amoralistic maxim "the stock value shall rise >> >> to the satisfaction of the investors" is the collective emergent sinking >> of the ship. >> >> >> >> James Lyons-Weiller >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:17 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Eric: >> >> >> >> It seems we disagree. >> >> From a social constructivist perspective, capitalism is more effective >> than feudalism, in large part, because it replaces the feudal system's >> inherent and purposeful disadvantages with a system whose purpose is to >> distribute benefit on the basis of participation rather than social power >> alone. >> >> Further, capitalism in the USA democratic system, also includes the >> concept of individual equality under the law. >> >> In terms of the Influence Matrix, feudalism impedes a functional balance >> of relational value and social influence in order to achieve dominant >> “power" at the cost of “love” and “freedom." >> >> >> >> To the extent that we deviate from the implied contract we enable the >> persistence of feudalism. >> >> The implied contract is, in Bohmian terms, the implicate order underlying >> the explicate order of capitalism. >> >> >> >> Perhaps, our differences in interpretation lies in the perspective we >> employ - is the glass half-full or half-empty. >> >> There is an immense ethical divide between "untrammeled capitalism” and >> “guided capitalism.” >> >> It seems abundantly clear that capitalism in the USA can perform orders >> of magnitude better than is now demonstrated. >> >> Especially, when one considers that capitalism is but a part of our >> sullied application of the “national contract." >> >> And, there is evidence in the world how that might be accomplished - we >> don’t have to reinvent the wheel, as it where. >> >> >> >> Thank you for your response. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Waldemar >> >> >> >> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* >> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >> 503.631.8044 >> >> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* >> >> >> >> On Sep 28, 2020, at 10:45 PM, easalien <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dr. Werrell, >> >> >> >> Appreciate your insights into the matter. I would venture further to say >> civil society at large is a legal fiction (a collective figment of our >> imagination), but we work with what we have. Given the fractured nature of >> the body politic, the will of the people is currently confused and not >> particularly focused. (We can’t even establish consensus on what’s real >> anymore). I agree that “ownership at a distance” is largely deleterious, >> but with employees as primary shareholders, that should be less of a >> problem (people tend to look after their own houses). >> >> >> >> The justification system of a scarcity-driven supply and demand is the >> aggregation of as much stuff as possible, so we shouldn’t be surprised of >> the outcome. However, there’s separate reason for the worker-shareholder >> model that has little to do with economics. If the study Deepok and I cited >> in another thread is correct—and money acts as a quantized form of >> energy—then we have a bigger problem: entropy. >> >> >> >> If economies act as closed-energy networks, then they are subject to the >> 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. As nations become increasingly isolated, they >> will continue to break down. The only way to counteract it is to “open” the >> system, i.e. create an organization in which everyone has a shared vested >> interest, e.g. a multinational corporation. >> >> >> >> Leland, >> >> >> >> What are your thoughts on a democratically-styled corporate structure? >> Given the shared innovation-driven multinational components, it seems like >> an efficiently-scalable social-organization. >> >> >> >> Dr. Schmidt, >> >> >> >> I don’t see how it’s implied at all. If pure profit motive is the driving >> impetus, the intent is to benefit oneself—even at the expense of others. >> Given the unforgiving nature of capital markets, I think you’ve read too >> much into the contract. “There’s a sucker born every minute.” - PT Barnum >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Eric S. >> >> On Monday, September 28, 2020, Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Very good point, Dr Werrell. >> >> With the caveat that “commerce capitalism” is a social construct with an >> implied commitment that the intent is to benefit *all* members who >> contribute therein. >> >> While there are differences in the degree or extent of “benefit” there is >> an implied commitment that rapacious advantage based upon disadvantage is >> not an integral goal. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Waldemar >> >> >> >> *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* >> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >> 503.631.8044 >> >> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* >> >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dr. Rowson, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thank you for that. >> >> >> >> I think it useful to interject some thoughts into our justification >> system on the matter of "Capitalism." >> >> >> >> Useful light was shed by Professor Carrol Quigley on this matter, in his >> works. He divided this overly broad term into three distinct phases in the >> history of Western Civilization. >> >> >> >> 1. Commerce Capitalism; defined as the system of economic justification >> within a price structure. >> >> >> >> 2. Finance Capitalism; defined as being the creation of "ownership at a >> distance" by the creation of publicly traded stocks in large corporations, >> characterized by a system of reducing costs to increase profits. >> >> >> >> and 3. Monopoly Capitalism; defined as being the elimination of >> competition between the Ownership Class; characterized by a system of >> raising prices to increase profits. >> >> >> >> Each subsequent justification system focuses the power further into the >> hands of the Ownership Class. >> >> >> >> This comes from Dr. Quigley's book *The Evolution of Civilizations*, >> which I recommend. Carroll Quigley. TheEvolution Of Civilizations. pdf >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.academia.edu_31425208_Carroll-5FQuigley-5FTheEvolution-5FOf-5FCivilizations-5Fpdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=S_05-I_b-vpOpD5KBy5-SLKujX5QyLTWz1pOrwTcvBw&s=Okzx-V6sEoyzZAEa03U6EOKiKs5x4h9fSavVN73-JXo&e=> >> >> >> >> >> Carroll Quigley. TheEvolution Of Civilizations. pdf >> >> Carroll Quigley. TheEvolution Of Civilizations. pdf >> >> >> >> I would like to suggest to the esteemed audience that rewinding our >> situation back into the Commerce Capitalism may be the desired goal to >> properly realign the interests of the public with the *logos.* >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Bradley >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. - This email is private and copyrighted by the >> author. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 27, 2020, 08:59:27 AM MST, Jonathan Rowson < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for sharing that James - it's very exciting for the makers and >> contributors of The Social Dilemma. >> >> The article also acts as a useful reflexive prediction - a story about >> popularity that drives popularity - I hope it works because I think it is >> hard to overstate the importance of the docudrama. >> >> >> >> What matters now though is not so much that The Social Dilemma is watched >> but that people grasp what follows from the argument it makes. On most >> complex problems, 'raising awareness' is necessary and not sufficient, and >> often risks giving the wrong impression that something transformative is >> actually happening. The makers have explicitly said they are modelling >> their approach on Al Gore's *An Inconvenient Truth*, but in light of the >> absence of commensurate climate action following from it, it is worth >> asking if that documentary was, in fact, a success, or more like a kind of >> distraction of displacement activity (It feels churlish to suggest the >> documentary didn't help, but I do wonder...). >> >> >> >> Similarly, the central problematic this docudrama higlights is 'the >> business model' of all forms of social media (including Netflix!) and that >> business model is given much greater texture and detail in Shoshana >> Zuboff's model of Surveillance capitalism (she's interviewed in the The >> Social Dilemma, but not, alas, for very long). As Zuboff makes clear in her >> book, 'the business model' in question is historiographical in nature; a >> new mutuation of capitalism at scale; it's not something that individuals >> can easily resist or that can be changed in a board room, and it begs an >> uncomfortable question at the level of political economy rather than merely >> behaviour, culture or metapsychology. (Although I think there are >> metapsychological perspectives that contextualise important metaethical >> issues at stake. The underlying problem may be the incompatibility between >> 'the algorithim' and 'the good'; what is most precious to us is something >> uncodeable beyond utilitarian or deontological logic, and that kind of >> value and valuing is what struggles to find a place in this discussion.) >> >> >> >> 'The business model' that is the apparent villain in The Social Dilemma >> has its own kind of investment and return model based on data-driven >> behavioural prediction that is then targetted to personal and cultural >> detriment, but what is happening is still fundamentally the attempt to >> maxmimise profit for shareholders within the rule of law, also known as >> Capitalism. It's true that it is a difficult problematic to understand, >> that lobbying plays a large part in keeping the law as it is, and that 'the >> product' is a frontier of extraction (our attention) that may be ethically >> beyond the pale; even in the context of the world literally being on fire, >> it is probably *worse* that fossil fuel extraction, though certainly not >> as bad as the enforced extraction of human capital through slavery. The >> problem *within* the problem of The Social Dilemma is that the >> extraction in question is a data-driven psychographic hyper-intensification >> of what economic and political advertising has being doing to culture for >> decades, in which apparently legitimate game-winning and profit-seeking >> aims are served by addiction, alienation, polarisation and ecocide. >> >> >> >> I am not so much saying that The Social Dilemma is saying 'Capitalism as >> such' is the preeminent problem (maximising profits for private gain, >> within the rule of law). Indeed, I am not instinctivley ant-capitalist by >> nature - I increasingly fear I might even be a little bit bourgeoise. But I >> am struck by the fact that for me, this is where the documentary took us, >> and yet it couldn't say so explicitly. It was a kind of epic ideological >> flirtation that was not consumated, leaving this viewer at least wondering >> if they had properly understood the signals. >> >> >> >> In my own small way I tried to drive people towards the documentary with >> my own stream-of-consciousness review of The Social Dilemma >> >> earlier this month - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DatQkyda1REQ&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=gVGoZBh_NF19y8uFbbBMpKEPJ_ngvxz5xNkvPczy_wA&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DatQkyda1REQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xux1Svy0EGFVQlyXDK0N8gI7n0ZUxGjH5BZii2pxE6U&s=867DWQnJ6P_D3amlL24isgqeBNa2zvEzTUmYmDRwsXU&e=> >> - but that's just me thinking out loud on a screen; anyone reading this who >> hasn't seen The Social Dilemma yet, you should certainly watch that first! >> >> >> >> Grey skies in London, but plenty of nimble leaves getting a gentle >> workout. >> >> >> >> Dr Jonathan Rowson >> >> Founding Director, Perspectiva >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.systems-2Dsouls-2Dsociety.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xux1Svy0EGFVQlyXDK0N8gI7n0ZUxGjH5BZii2pxE6U&s=z5zCBp91eGNJH4q8Xe_O046aaSqrMNrCgPWXi7M_WAg&e=> >> >> Research Fellow, CUSP >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cusp.ac.uk_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=xux1Svy0EGFVQlyXDK0N8gI7n0ZUxGjH5BZii2pxE6U&s=zErruK5aOWVmdff3I1oJsZl1G1icoGGKr0n5nS6Zvyo&e=> >> >> Open Society Fellow >> >> @Jonathan_Rowson >> >> *The Moves that Matter: A Chess Grandmaster on the Game of Life* is >> published by Bloomsbury. >> >> >> >> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 15:43, James Tyler Carpenter < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Of possible interest from a social influence expert-colleague in the >> forensic think tank I’m a member of. Of relevance for many reasons. >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.forbes.com_sites_travisbean_2020_09_24_the-2Dsocial-2Ddilemma-2Dis-2Dabout-2Dto-2Dbecome-2Dthe-2Dfirst-2Ddocumentary-2Don-2Dnetflix-2Dto-2Dachieve-2Dthis-2Dincredible-2Dmilestone_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lkZGrT236cPiOC7TLog2neCHq0bExDrVpV2mysepUxk&s=lK7ZnYJEbfc3OQWw94yZmoTzT3tCj4IF_iGhA2qAKro&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.forbes.com_sites_travisbean_2020_09_24_the-2Dsocial-2Ddilemma-2Dis-2Dabout-2Dto-2Dbecome-2Dthe-2Dfirst-2Ddocumentary-2Don-2Dnetflix-2Dto-2Dachieve-2Dthis-2Dincredible-2Dmilestone_&d=DwMF-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=zXxOER7wa06KBLzG6lXk79fM4sKQ_jN_G3mpBo5M3DA&s=1p3VTz0Ap4uxzkH2gzV0GoXlNc_6JSjxYL6MNLnFMvs&e=> >> >> >> >> James Tyler Carpenter, PhD, FAACP >> >> www.metispsych.com >> 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