Hi Nicholas, How about taking one for the team and vote anyway to prevent fascism in the US and to keep your voting rights? Keeping rule of law is not that bad either, if you think it through. Best, Lene On 03-10-2020 16:30, Nicholas Lattanzio wrote: > Hey all, > > Having browsed through some of your comments, I figured I'd add my say. > > I don't think Trump is an immoralist or an amoralist, I believe he has > a sense of morals that is very vague and susceptable to the influence > of others and that is also selectively self-serving, at least in a way > that he can twist an actual moral's relevance to evince his claims and > resolve any dissonance he experiences. > > I watched most of the primary debates and this past week's > presidential debate. While Chris Wallace was certainly biased in favor > of Biden (I would be to considering Trumps history of demeaning > Wallace), I did not see nearly the level of cognitive decline in Biden > I had thought I'd seen before. I want to bring more attention to this > last point here. While of course people experience cognitive decline > can have more lucid days and times of day than their baseline, they > typically decline in a way that prohibits any higher levels of > function that have been lost already (I.e., they really don't get much > better, the best we can do in most cases is slow the decline). What I > saw in the presidential debate was not a cognitively declining Biden, > it made me reconsider how much decompensation has actually occurred. > > Biden has always been a stutterer, his entire life and political > career. So we cannot use that as a solid measure of his mental status > (at least in the sense that his stuttering has not worsened much in > recent years). Most of the apparent mental interference Biden seemed > to be experiencing was, from a scientifically-minded approach, most > likely caused by Trump speaking over him, which is further > demonstrated by Biden's clear concerted efforts to focus on speaking > to Wallace and tune out Trump. Of course with both candidates being > the age they are, we know that their crystallized knowledge is what > they're leaning on the most, as their fluid intelligence is waning, so > a level of cognitive decline is to be expected. All in all any > assertion of Biden's incompetence due to cognitive decline is not > founded by any evidence known to the public (if independent cognitive > assessment has occurred, we don't know about it). > > Personally, I don't want to vote for either one, they both represent > parties that are ultimately owned by the same people, and as long as > that is the case we won't see true change regardless of the candidate > elected. This is perhaps the most salient area in our societal > infrastructure that is set to change with the value-oriented shift > that comes part and parcel to the 5th joint point in Gregg's TOK. > Keeping our focus on that shift is, IMO, more important than softening > the blow of whoever comes out of this election on top (which will > likely only speed up the shift itself). > > Regards, > > Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 4:56 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Poster boy for the autistic dark triad? > > */Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD/* > (Perseveret et Percipiunt) > 503.631.8044 > > *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* > >> On Oct 2, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Chance McDermott >> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> To borrow from Trump's communication style himself, I've heard >> many people say it is highly accurate to call him an autistic >> psychopath >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 2:06 PM Deepak Loomba <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> Niquie, >> >> Would it then be right to claim Trump as amoralist, Bidne as >> immoralist or vice-versa? >> >> TY >> DL >> >> On 10/3/2020 12:26 AM, Niquie Dworkin wrote: >>> An amoralist does not believe in morals, an immoralist >>> delights in transgressing. >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 1:29 PM Waldemar Schmidt >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> At the very least, Lene. >>> >>> */Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD/* >>> (Perseveret et Percipiunt) >>> 503.631.8044 >>> >>> *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. >>> (A Einstein)* >>> >>>> On Oct 2, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Lene Rachel Andersen - >>>> Nordic Bildung >>>> <[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is a very good comment, but isn't Trump an amoralist? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Lene >>>> >>>> On 02-10-2020 17:09, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: >>>>> I am traveling but wanted to take the time to share this op Ed >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_10_01_opinion_trump-2Dethics-2Dimmorality.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=K3hiNlxYM7VQRu7sLqixmyO58nz9h9VzOhPS1lchpn8&s=b72Wn2dSMMwWGEk8nSYYzGpSoJURdUPaWsrzSS3SPHs&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_10_01_opinion_trump-2Dethics-2Dimmorality.html&d=DwMCaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=HX6n0_NI0EBFgi1f48teJUTR5pl1dUVMAxH4fmAqG10&s=VQh2BCjUj_ChZY716wc9tjGi8tB_-pXkeCI7klO6h2A&e=> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Gregg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> ############################ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: >>>>> write to:mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>>> or click the following link: >>>>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Lene Rachel Andersen* >>>> Futurist, economist, author & keynote speaker >>>> Co-founder of Nordic Bildung and the European Bildung >>>> Network >>>> Full member of the Club of Rome >>>> *Nordic Bildung* >>>> Vermlandsgade 51, 2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark >>>> www.nordicbildung.org >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nordicbildung.org&d=DwMCaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=HX6n0_NI0EBFgi1f48teJUTR5pl1dUVMAxH4fmAqG10&s=HZ1aTnYb4-BrZv4MEO8EnRtJPHIHmr3O7VlXF66fQmk&e=> >>>> +45 28 96 42 40 >>>> >>>> ############################ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>>> or click the following link: >>>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Niquie Dworkin, PhD >>> Lakeview Center for Psychotherapy >>> 3322 N Ashland, Chicago, 60657 >>> www.lakeviewtherapy.com >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lakeviewtherapy.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=uKOXK8YSEOTyD4eyZT-Pc2WM1zkEsm5zw605XOmBQ8c&s=rQi8OC8QUrfuFjZz1suCanchQXIOSz-Qxa7r2QPLS3w&e=> >>> Confidential Voicemail: 773-472-8587 >>> >>> This is a private, confidential email, and comes only to me. >>> >>> PLEASE NOTE: Email should not be used in emergency >>> situations. 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