Tyler, Thanks for guiding on how best to address. On 10/24/2020 10:59 PM, James Tyler Carpenter wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > terrific, Deepak. i go by Tyler. i agree marvelous to share > best regards, > tyler > > James Tyler Carpenter, PhD, FAACP > www.metispsych.com > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.experts.com_Expert-2DWitnesses_search-3Fkeyword-3DClinical-2520psychology-26keywordsearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26category-3DClinical-2520forensic-2520-26categorysearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26name-3DJames-2520tyler-2520carpenter-26namesearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26company-3DMetis-26companysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26address-3D-2520-26addresssearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26state-3DMA-26statesearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26country-3DALL-2520-28or-2520Choose-2520a-2520Country-29-26countrysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26page-3D1-26freshsearch-3D1&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kIg1qMeT9MneUKAcVxOjKjHiPPoC2_dtUynihZVE8LU&s=HRUkX1PURWcvnScYY-KlXF-s47kKQruuFQWKSz7DebA&e= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Deepak Loomba > <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 1:06:10 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: TOK Are all white people racist?: WIKI Letters exchange > with Greg Thomas > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > James, if this chit-chat brings value - lovely! Please go ahead. Gregg > would love if we UTOK group;-) gets a mention. So as to make us known > to the world & wanted to be crept into by those hearing :-). > Participation in UTOK Group-chat has to be made aspirational, wanted > and cherished! > > /*Rare, group self-advertisements hope are permitted :-) > */ > > TY > DL/**/ > > > On 10/24/2020 9:15 PM, James Tyler Carpenter wrote: >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Hi Gregg, Deepak, Bradley, and all, >> >> i have been ducking in and out of this discussion as time and >> obligation allow due to requests from colleagues and friends to >> address these issues in conference venues on psychosis and >> international forensic MH. i would like to share this fascinating and >> important thread with colleagues who though motivated, knowledgeable >> and professional, may not be familiar with the current call and >> response (cybernetic, systemantics) of the music of the spheres. i >> would not do this without the consent of all contributors on the >> content and format: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.isps-2Dus.org_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kIg1qMeT9MneUKAcVxOjKjHiPPoC2_dtUynihZVE8LU&s=nwtg9CPFaB3256GQ11_k5ctyVllvWLPIH6Wmn3ZVkiE&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.isps-2Dus.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=k_ybq2TJxZ9YgvTGV-EVO6vqEy-GtJQbf3SkGQ_yYAg&s=cJ5BUbRTT4AwGAxv6sEzT_0m9SP-Cen1F4kfegIPs8A&e=> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ialmh.org_lyon-2D2021_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kIg1qMeT9MneUKAcVxOjKjHiPPoC2_dtUynihZVE8LU&s=SgfhHmGvgdvbqAjlt_mqOrgtE0Qr90APLqvyAusaMqc&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ialmh.org_lyon-2D2021_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=k_ybq2TJxZ9YgvTGV-EVO6vqEy-GtJQbf3SkGQ_yYAg&s=7_1eZGlSrgUTbHc2G6SVNhF0kuXFDet_mx20gMV0fbw&e=> >> >> what are the contributors thoughts ? >> >> best regards, >> Tyler >> >> >> James Tyler Carpenter, PhD, FAACP >> www.metispsych.com >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.metispsych.com&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=k_ybq2TJxZ9YgvTGV-EVO6vqEy-GtJQbf3SkGQ_yYAg&s=Nybr3FrRqdFZ6yaCO0YrgUVkNTPmTZzN_eFBMjH0PwM&e=> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.experts.com_Expert-2DWitnesses_search-3Fkeyword-3DClinical-2520psychology-26keywordsearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26category-3DClinical-2520forensic-2520-26categorysearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26name-3DJames-2520tyler-2520carpenter-26namesearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26company-3DMetis-26companysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26address-3D-2520-26addresssearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26state-3DMA-26statesearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26country-3DALL-2520-28or-2520Choose-2520a-2520Country-29-26countrysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26page-3D1-26freshsearch-3D1&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kIg1qMeT9MneUKAcVxOjKjHiPPoC2_dtUynihZVE8LU&s=HRUkX1PURWcvnScYY-KlXF-s47kKQruuFQWKSz7DebA&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.experts.com_Expert-2DWitnesses_search-3Fkeyword-3DClinical-2520psychology-26keywordsearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26category-3DClinical-2520forensic-2520-26categorysearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26name-3DJames-2520tyler-2520carpenter-26namesearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26company-3DMetis-26companysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26address-3D-2520-26addresssearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26state-3DMA-26statesearchtype-3DAny-2520Word-26country-3DALL-2520-28or-2520Choose-2520a-2520Country-29-26countrysearchtype-3DAll-2520Words-26page-3D1-26freshsearch-3D1&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=k_ybq2TJxZ9YgvTGV-EVO6vqEy-GtJQbf3SkGQ_yYAg&s=ef-x3onzsjjSS7REUygSZJxuRZpHfwj911vXXDzQaOE&e=> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion >> <[log in to unmask]> >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Deepak Loomba >> <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 9:50:35 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> <[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Subject:* Re: TOK Are all white people racist?: WIKI Letters >> exchange with Greg Thomas >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> /*Thomas,*/ >> >> /*See my short comments in the trail mail.*/ >> >> On 10/24/2020 6:33 PM, Greg Thomas wrote: >>> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click >>> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >>> the content is safe. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Thanks Bradley, Gregg, and Deepak. >>> >>> Bradley: thanks for your note of clarification. I'm teaching my >>> Cultural Intelligence course online via the Aligned Center, which is >>> based in Westchester, NY. The founder of the Aligned Center is a >>> Jewish-American Buddhist Integralist who grew up playing b-ball with >>> my cultural kin (Black folks) and became a pioneer in the financial >>> services industry in the early '80s. In other words, he's a unique >>> example of an /Omni-American. /Before teaching this course, I've >>> taught jazz history at the college level and for institutions such >>> as Jazz at Lincoln Center and the National Jazz Museum in Harlem. >>> >>> Gregg: Thanks again! >>> >>> Deepak: I wonder if you're being intentionally provocative. >> >> /*DL: Greg: No. unintentionally :-) >> */ >> >> /*(Hope humour is appreciated in the group, else all work & no play, >> makes us dull girls and boys!) >> */ >> >> I say this because in a battle between intellectuals and >> non-intellectuals, the latter /do not/ always win handsomely. From an >> American democratic and pluralistic perspective, various groups vie >> for influence in a ceaseless struggle which can be deemed >> /antagonistic cooperation. /The three branches of government >> exemplify this balance of a dynamic equilibrium. The "adversarial" >> legal system, the same. It's not a question of either cooperation or >> competition, it's a both/and reality. >> /*DL: Undeniably. I recognize aforementioned & appreciate it. That is >> why I quoted that one of the reasons for failure of communism was >> absence of competition.** >> */ >>> >>> Regarding "winning," I guess it matters which game is being played, >>> over what period of time, and at what scale. I, for instance, see >>> race as an example of James Carse's "finite game," which is about >>> winning and losing. On the other hand, I see culture as an "infinite >>> game," which is played for the sake of continuing to play the >>> infinite game of life. Simon Sinek took Carse's idea and extended >>> the infinite game concept to business. Jamie Wheal, in his upcoming >>> book, extends the idea of the infinite game to the very democratic >>> system established by the founding fathers of the U.S. >>> >>> Further, ancient Greek philosophy and ideas (which are aspects of >>> ancient Greek /culture/) still resonate and influence the thought >>> and culture of our time. Those intellectuals and artists did not >>> lose in the infinite game. What about the Renaissance? The thought >>> and artistry of that period still resonates in the infinite game of >>> culture. What about the intellectuals of the Enlightenment and the >>> Scientific Revolution? You get the point. >> /*DL: Victory (success) is to be strictly seen in the time of its >> occurrence. Else the relevance of success or failure of an idea is >> lost, because it is to much doped with feeding tributaries that its >> original character can no more be evaluated. Indeed, evaluating an >> idea under a banner after the idea is completely metamorphed into >> something completely difference is a common mistake. Indeed, the >> */_/*primality of assessment at the time of occurrence*/_/*is the >> underlying idea of an article of mine accessible here >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepakloomba.medium.com_success-2Dexcellence-2Drecognition-2Da3aa1e2eed03&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=K2Aeu0wmY0VknFf28VY5HEClWkEAg7JPY3LjfyeHuUI&s=No_v4O3yL2UA5wlcIF1kFaRut9R37oYEDmW2bK6vtgk&e=>. >> >> */ >>> >>> Further still, all intellectuals aren't specialists to whom the >>> whole is lost, leaving "unintended consequences" in their wake due >>> to their specialization, though unthought of eventualities from >>> ideas and intellectual activity are inevitable. One reason I focus >>> on Culture is because in the history of ideas, Culture is a pregnant >>> idea from which to consider the whole, not just the parts. >> /*DL: I think both me and you, have opinions. But your aforementioned >> statement leaves me with another question, can an intellectual be >> specialist in nothing. "Jack of all trades as we say". Who then is >> an intellectual?*/ >>> >>> Re: your last sentence, interest groups that just remain a small >>> clique are self-defeating if and only if they stay self-contained >>> and don't interact with others. In these days of hyper-connectivity, >>> that's rarely the case. >> /*DL: I think this needs a nuanced approach. And humbly express my >> disagreement. Hyperconnectivity more often is pushing even those on >> fence to one or other side. Division in society that America is >> facing is not because the two camps didn't exist. But it is because >> of exponential fall in the number of people who were let to sit on >> the fence. Fence sitters have been forced to disembark the fence >> through precipitation of situation. It is indeed connectivity & >> social media that has precipitated the situation. Information in the >> face of one, leaves no room for ignorance, which I believe was the >> black matter that ensured equilibrium for long. The swing people, >> swing states, easily influenced souls. And this phenomenon is global. >> It is exactly the same situation in India, though the dipoles are not >> econo-racial, but econo-religious. Push of social media from the >> fence/balance of socio-political ignorance and the consequent jump is >> not taken to this or that side is not taken intellectually , but >> emotionally. No one is bothered about the desert that follows the >> beautiful green garden to which many jump. Immediate takes precedence >> over long term. >> */ >>> >>> But your second question is more profound. In other words, upon what >>> criteria do we evaluate the good, the true, and the beautiful (there >>> go those Greeks again!) of the competing camps? Especially for >>> common folk just living their lives and trying to make life better >>> for their immediate family and social circle? Well, that's why >>> intellectuals and artists forge visions of possibility through which >>> others (including commoners) can eventually see a different (and >>> conceivably better) future. >>> And for me, this is where history and developmental psychology >>> intersect. If we view history through that lens (as do, for >>> instance, Spiral Dynamics, Integral metatheory, and Metamodernism), >>> we can see the worldviews that provide the value systems of the >>> camps. The values systems drive belief systems and behavior, as well >>> as the rituals and aesthetic production, though individual and group >>> variances exist within a worldview. Reality ain't that linear, of >>> course. But as what Ken Wilber calls "orienting generalizations," >>> such worldview and value systems analysis helps us better see behind >>> the curtain of the various memetic camps and what drives them. >>> >>> Bottom line: ideas matter. If they didn't, then Adam Smith and Karl >>> Marx wouldn't have influenced our conceptions of economics so >>> broadly and deeply. Same with Freud, Jung, and Skinner in >>> psychology. Intellectuals deal with ideas because they matter, not >>> only to elites but to our lived, material reality. That's why >>> revolutions /aren't led by commoners. /They are often led by >>> "middle-class" intellectuals. >> /*DL: I accept your response along with the succinctly explained >> process history*//*→value system→belief→behaviour, but my query on >> assessment remains unanswered. 'Middle-class intellectuals' is >> another term that needs comprehension vis-a-vis intellectuals above. >> */ >>> Well, enough from me today. As we say in jazz, I've got to get back >>> into the shed to practice, study, and hone my chops for the battles, >>> or rather, dialogues and democratic discourses over ideas to come. >>> May you each have good, safe weekends. >> /*DL: Warmly reciprocate. >> */ >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 7:39 AM Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. >>> <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not >>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender >>> and know the content is safe. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Greg, >>> >>> Thank you for your detailed response. >>> >>> You said "Who specifically do you see enacting the guile to >>> present "racist" and "racism" as having two different meanings >>> for the purpose of social domination?" >>> >>> I apologize for not being more clear. It is actually my >>> impression that the "anti-racist" position using the terms >>> "racist" and "racism" as redefined with specialized definitions >>> (stemming from "the universities") as divergent from previous >>> "Modern Liberal" definitions of the same represents the act of >>> willful agency designed to shame targeted populations into >>> silence in the social space. >>> >>> In this, the 'target population' is that group who disagrees >>> with the political objectives of the 'anti-racist' policy >>> position. The purpose being to shame them to submission to the >>> political domination of the anti-racist plan. >>> >>> I certainly did not recognize your position to be counted among >>> those positions. >>> >>> I particularly like the premise (and practice) of teaching >>> "Cultural Intelligence" as well as de-identification from racial >>> categorization, and towards individual agency in interaction, as >>> an appropriate solution to the problem I have pointed out in the >>> piece posted. >>> >>> Specifically, I would like to emphasize my agreement with your >>> premise that while "color of skin" is fairly immutable, >>> ego-identification with "race" as based upon that characteristic >>> is absolutely mutable, and arguably beneficially muted for >>> optimal social harmony. >>> >>> I laud you in your efforts! >>> >>> Regarding reaching a "tipping point," I would argue that it will >>> be like going bankrupt, slowly at first, then all the sudden. >>> >>> Where do you teach? >>> >>> >>> Will great respect; >>> >>> Multi-generational American, >>> >>> Bradley >>> >>> >>> Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. - This email is private and copyrighted >>> by the author. >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 12:54:26 AM MST, Greg Thomas >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not >>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender >>> and know the content is safe. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Thanks to Gregg for sharing the link to my letter exchange with >>> Vince Horn, and for placing the actual discourse within the >>> frame of TOK. >>> >>> Thanks to you also, Bradley, for your comments. It is to you >>> that I address my response: >>> >>> I'm not sure in your framing whether you are specifically >>> referring to my perspective as represented in the letter >>> exchange or to the anti-racism ideologues I critique. If by >>> "efforts to equate "whiteness" (an immutable characteristic of >>> individuals) to "racist" (a mutable characteristic) are intended >>> to shame individuals who disagree with a particular social >>> agenda of the groups and individuals making the equation" you >>> mean "anti-racist" activists/ideologues, then yes I agree . . . >>> mostly. >>> >>> Mostly, because whether or not one views "whiteness" as an >>> immutable characteristic of individuals depends on the >>> definition of whiteness. If you mean the common racial >>> characterization of phenotype and skin color, yes, that is >>> immutable for individuals. Yet, as I say in the letter exchange, >>> "whiteness" has also served as a meme and ideology. In that >>> sense, whiteness is mutable. >>> >>> Certainly anti-racist ideologues desire to shame individuals who >>> disagree with their stance(s). I'd add blame and guilt too. They >>> indeed desire to influence and "dominate the 12th floor social >>> organizational schema." >>> >>> And this stance does serve the interests of certain "blue >>> church" media elites of what you call the Legacy Modern >>> Authoritarian system in your "Current Social Systems >>> Reorganization" post. Among liberal, progressive media, >>> "anti-racist" ideology serves their interests in social conflict >>> to sell papers, magazines, and generate clicks and virality . . >>> . and the "anti-anti-racist" ideologies of conservative media >>> serves the same ends on their side of the political spectrum. >>> >>> This is not theory or conspiracy to me; I know some of those >>> editors and they know of me and my work, but as my perspective >>> serves neither side of the political industrial complex, the >>> two-party duopoly, they, for the most part, have not allowed my >>> byline to appear in their publications to counter faulty >>> positions that I saw were rising dangerously in the public >>> discourse. Now that discourse has become a tidal wave. >>> >>> But in the Digital Distributed system you relay and relate, >>> Bradley, there is more room for exercising cultural agency, >>> being a content entrepreneur, building alliances and one's own >>> following, etc. Thank goodness for that, because I've long since >>> stopped trying to get my byline into the media of the Blue >>> Church, as they die an increasingly rapid death. The social >>> discord that they are not only covering but /enabling/ is >>> evidence of the death rattle of a dying system. I have no doubt >>> that the folks here and in similar private groups in favor of >>> the developmental advance of consciousness, culture, and society >>> are seeding the needed new and shaping its vision and horizons >>> of aspiration. >>> >>> Now back to the discussion of race and related issues. I'd >>> appreciate you being clearer about a few items. Who specifically >>> do you see enacting the guile to present "racist" and "racism" >>> as having two different meanings for the purpose of social >>> domination? I tend toward autonomy in the Influence Matrix also, >>> but am not clear who you mean as enacting the guile and who the >>> dupes (the targeted populations) are. >>> >>> Which leads me to your penultimate para: >>> >>> The entirety of the discussion about these terms is intended to >>> influence the social structures, indeed, that is what words >>> themselves are for. It is the redefinition of those words to >>> adjust the targeting of the instruments of social oppression >>> that can be the only intention for uttering them. This is how >>> "social transformation" (is intended to take) place by these >>> individuals (who utter such phrases). This can only be an >>> intentional act. >>> >>> While I agree with the use of Gramsci's hegemony in relation to >>> the anti-racist ideology, I also--in my individual >>> autonomy--resist an overly 3rd-person, structural analysis. I >>> think an Integral approach to relating reality incorporates 1st, >>> 2nd, and 3rd person in the framing, as much as possible and >>> appropriate. >>> >>> So in case you are specifically alluding to /me and my words /as >>> presented in the letters as having the intent of "adjust[ing] >>> the targeting of the instruments of social oppression" for the >>> sake of "social transformation" I would say this: >>> >>> I am not so arrogant and presumptive to think that my stance of >>> a "non-racial" identity will bring social transformation. I >>> present it to clarify my own stance and to give another frame >>> for others to consider, others who have the critical >>> intelligence to make up their own minds. In the course I'm >>> teaching on Cultural Intelligence, I make it clear that I'm not >>> after indoctrination. (That's one reason I resist anti-racist >>> ideology.) I am after people becoming more aware of the very >>> process of racialization, which is how race became a category >>> that's now socially embedded as part of what John Vervaeke calls >>> the "cultural cognitive grammar." >>> >>> Once people see and understand that process, they can decide for >>> themselves whether they want to continue buying into the popular >>> conception of race, which I argue has done far, far more harm >>> than good, and is an idea we can better do without in what some >>> might call an Integral or Metamodern stage of development. >>> >>> I'm presenting ideas in a marketplace of ideas in which my >>> position is in a clear minority--no pun intended. While I'd hope >>> my position would achieve a critical mass/tipping point, I >>> certainly am not belaboring under any illusion of this happening >>> anytime soon. >>> >>> But I for damn sure can exercise my agency as a multi-generation >>> Black American citizen to strive for it--as an ancestral >>> imperative. >>> >>> Best, >>> Greg Thomas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. >>> <[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not >>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the >>> sender and know the content is safe. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> I certainly appreciated that treatment of the topic, which >>> inspired me to a certain extent. >>> >>> It appears that efforts to equate "whiteness" (an immutable >>> characteristic of individuals) to "racist" (a mutable >>> characteristic) are intended to shame individuals who >>> disagree with a particular social agenda of the groups and >>> individuals making the equation. >>> >>> In terms of TOK, specifically the Influence Matrix, people >>> generating this narrative are seeking submission of those >>> (dare I say) "whites" who dare disagree with the social >>> designs by using this narrative to generate shame (on the >>> 11th floor) and submission (on the 11th floor and on the >>> 12th floor) to dominate the 12th floor social organizational >>> schema. >>> >>> There is a suggestion in the writing to which I am >>> responsive that this is somehow "incidental" or "accidental" >>> that the words "racist" and "racism" should be >>> "coincidentally" having two different meanings. I would >>> argue that this is a product of guile, and intentional >>> action to achieve social domination, and subjugation of a >>> targeted population. This would be a confession of my >>> personal bias, of course, which trends strongly towards >>> "autonomy" in the Influence Matrix. >>> >>> I will justify my interpretation a bit, for the benefit of >>> those who are utterly appalled by my position on this: >>> >>> The entirety of the discussion about these terms is intended >>> to influence the social structures, indeed, that is what >>> words themselves are for. It is the redefinition of those >>> words to adjust the targeting of the instruments of social >>> oppression that can be the only intention for uttering >>> them. This is how "social transformation" (is intended to >>> take) place by these individuals (who utter such phrases). >>> This can only be an intentional act. >>> >>> I thank you for the generosity of spirit for having read that. >>> >>> Bradley >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. - This email is private and >>> copyrighted by the author. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 23, 2020, 05:43:57 AM MST, Brad Kershner >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not >>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the >>> sender and know the content is safe. >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Thank you Gregg and Greg! I am steeped in racism/anti-racism >>> discourse in K-12 education, and I will be on the Growing >>> Down Podcast soon to discuss postmodern and >>> post-postmodern/integral anti-racism, and this is exactly >>> the kind of analysis that needs to be shared more widely! >>> Super clear and helpful - thank you! >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx >>> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi TOK List, >>> >>> I wanted to share this excellent correspondence >>> between Greg Thomas and Vince Fakhoury Horn on the >>> question of whether all white people are racist?: >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letter.wiki_conversation_964&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kIg1qMeT9MneUKAcVxOjKjHiPPoC2_dtUynihZVE8LU&s=dylU_9wUKimTqbeBSVCcK_pPbc5f58LV4BfkQ8JzXm4&e= >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__letter.wiki_conversation_964&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=kM5S4vZaepMSCJHArltJ24ctXQuk6gkDWGNzFkkceN8&s=umkE4qarm4HZoHCYbKbiQyNofT0hELd4Wyh9fc70PKs&e=>. >>> >>> My view on this topic is strongly aligned with Greg’s. I >>> will offer a few thoughts and encourage folks to check >>> it out. First, to build off the exchange that Joe >>> started yesterday, I think it is essential to >>> differentiate analyses that take place at the social >>> aggregate level (12^th floor) from the individual human >>> person level (11^th floor). This is particularly the >>> case with the concept of racism, because it has (at >>> least!) two fundamentally different meanings >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201809_racism-2Dtwo-2Dvery-2Ddifferent-2Dmeanings-2Dthe-2Dword&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_4q906EnaSUXtTocrNvObhnJOyp_TXPcVNo5NT59O_8&s=hlwlHOd6HDzT3PUnWlpD0xtrAkrmjMHNx1P1qRXD4G8&e=>. >>> One meaning is at the 11^th floor level. That is, when >>> someone either explicitly endorses the belief that race >>> is real and that some races are inherently better than >>> others. There are also implicit biases and prejudices >>> whereby a person operates to favor one race over >>> another, even as he may proclaim that he is not racist. >>> These are individual or small group level analyses. Then >>> there is the social aggregate level, which is the >>> structure of society and social forces. We can clearly >>> see that the US was founded as a racist society in that >>> slavery was initially built into the fabric of the >>> social arrangement. It is also the case that the >>> founding fathers were brilliant, flawed men who were >>> dependent on racism/and/ by and large they recognized >>> it--at least in its brutal form--to be inherently >>> unjust. Greg brilliantly speaks to these issues when he >>> asks us to reflect on which side of the founding of our >>> country do we choose to align. >>> >>> With this frame, we can now come back to the fact that >>> the dynamics of racism are very different at the 11^th >>> floor of human person individual versus 12^th floor of >>> social structure. Think of it this way. The US was >>> founded largely by Christians. Indeed, the founding >>> documents highlight the Creator and to this day we have >>> the attorney general stating that our rights (and thus >>> American identity) derive from God >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.realclearpolitics.com_2020_10_19_our-5Frights-5Famp-5Ffreedoms-5Fderived-5Ffrom-5Fgod-5Fnot-5Ffrom-5Fgovt-5F526770.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_4q906EnaSUXtTocrNvObhnJOyp_TXPcVNo5NT59O_8&s=DeWKkbBcVpPU_TqPHjij0uZppqA5Th4PA2b1eNHX5NE&e=>. >>> Now consider the fact that my family lineage can trace >>> its presence in the United States back to the >>> Revolutionary War (my Dad, a professional historian, did >>> a family history). Given these social aggregate facts, >>> now consider the claim: /I am Christian/. Now there are >>> some ways in which it this has echoes of the truth. It >>> is not accidental that I soaked my theory in images of >>> the Tree of Knowledge and Garden and talk about >>> redemption in the 21^st Century. This frames my >>> intuitive sense making far more than the plethora of >>> Hindu gods. This is because some of the deep grammar of >>> my sense making has been shaped by the Judeo-Christian >>> culture that I grew up in. But does that mean that I AM >>> a Christian in meaningful sense of the word? Of course >>> not! I have never believed in a Christian God or that >>> Christ is my savior who died for our sins and was then >>> resurrected. I have never entered a church as a believer >>> and I have never enacted any of the practices and >>> rituals that would identify me as such. I think you >>> would be hard pressed to find a serious Christian who >>> would think of me as such. >>> >>> Let’s apply this frame to race. I was taught very early >>> by my socially liberal, educated parents that racism was >>> evil. I then learned in undergraduate back in the late >>> 1980s how to unpack my invisible knapsack >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.racialequitytools.org_resourcefiles_mcintosh.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_4q906EnaSUXtTocrNvObhnJOyp_TXPcVNo5NT59O_8&s=7YZhgYAj5fcNQD79EDkB1SW45p1klh4fy9G6VBP6rwY&e=> >>> (I think I read it the year it came out or the following >>> year). It was by getting exposure to those ideas that I >>> could see, indeed, that the structure of racism was part >>> of my background. The echoes were clearly there and to >>> become aware of them was powerful and enlightening (as >>> well as guilt inducing). I had a similar set of insights >>> pertaining to feminism. Such are the awakenings that >>> happen when one has, as I did, an excellent mentor in >>> social forces (Joe M was my favorite professor in >>> undergrad)! Notice here that I grew and changed. This >>> is, of course, something that 12^th floor analyses, with >>> their macro/aggregate view, generally fail to see. The >>> aggregate concept “white people” fails to see both >>> individual differences (I am quite different than the >>> white neighbor down the street who sometimes puts out >>> his confederate flag and plasters Trump signs on >>> everything he owns) and differences in individuals >>> across time (I had more implicit biases and prejudices >>> in high school than I do now). These are analysis for >>> the 11^th floor (i.e., human psychology; many define >>> personality as the science of individual differences). >>> >>> Let me conclude this by saying my heart has long sided >>> with the better angels of the Founding Fathers. As a >>> citizen of the US, I am tainted by racism and it lurks >>> in the shadows of implicit frames that, even to this >>> day, I might be blind to. But to say I am racist is, >>> IMO, misguided at many levels. Most obviously, it >>> confuses the two primary meanings of the word and >>> appropriate application. That is, it twists the meaning >>> at the 12^th floor level and then applies it to me >>> (11^th floor). The flaw can be seen in the claim I am >>> Christian, which I think everyone would agree is largely >>> nonsense. The bottom line is that we should not confuse >>> the 12^th floor context of our socialization with the >>> 11^th floor analysis of our individual souls. >>> >>> Thank you, Greg, for your deep, rich, and nuanced views >>> of this crucial issue. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Gregg >>> >>> ___________________________________________ >>> >>> Gregg Henriques, Ph.D. >>> Professor >>> Department of Graduate Psychology >>> 216 Johnston Hall >>> MSC 7401 >>> James Madison University >>> Harrisonburg, VA 22807 >>> (540) 568-7857 (phone) >>> (540) 568-4747 (fax) >>> >>> >>> /Be that which enhances dignity and well-being with >>> integrity./ >>> >>> Check out the Unified Theory Of Knowledge homepage at: >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=kIg1qMeT9MneUKAcVxOjKjHiPPoC2_dtUynihZVE8LU&s=W2SN89BvJcYeVnUrqt57iTcg9CRntWksEV98UfeBQ8Y&e= >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.unifiedtheoryofknowledge.org_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=_4q906EnaSUXtTocrNvObhnJOyp_TXPcVNo5NT59O_8&s=wiYqdJIQxtXu-8K27PK7Vi4WlIsS1MYza0hMz5Mlnw4&e=> >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or >>> click the following link: >>> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >>> >> -- >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or >> click the following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or >> click the following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > -- > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > -- ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1