Anjan, Your query is valid. I hope this article of mine on difference between success & excellence <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deepakloomba.medium.com_success-2Dexcellence-2Drecognition-2Da3aa1e2eed03&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=c3_9Rkz0bX6ScxO-PcQqb9OWHuinwSUmctETqpu3q74&s=e9da1ntHtYAGoLjXU89Hx6w7zKXReMo6i33NUMpfC8A&e= > published sometime ago, would shed more light. James, Not only do I full support your view, I would add - this is the difference between success & excellence. TY DL On 10/29/2020 5:07 AM, James Lyons-Weiler wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ok, so... I'll be the one to ask... what's wrong with intellectual > masturbation? > > Our Puritanical heritage can be so limiting.. :) > > Seriously, though ... the idea that we must always show value of > inquiry to society is > a form of hubris. > > We cannot always appreciate the value of scientific inquiry... if we > truly understood the full value of > each journey into the unknown, would we not already know what we > propose to be exploring/ > > The shift from basic to applied is a justification of science. > Inquiry needs no justification. > > Knowledge is its own reward. > > James Lyons-Weiler > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 3:40 PM Anjan Katta <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Beautiful Gregg. It's a powerful question I've wondered about a > lot, "is it just intellectual mastrubation if I learn this amazing > way to see the world yet don't seem to improve my own life or > efficacy? How patient or impatient should one be about the > practical use & changes in one's life from learning these > frameworks?" > > Lot's of food for thought in you response. > > Also here is the youtube link to Gregg's dialogue with Alexander > Bard, the above parallax discussion: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D0c5jAAC76W0&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=c3_9Rkz0bX6ScxO-PcQqb9OWHuinwSUmctETqpu3q74&s=qgs48XbA31QCqHORbkJWMks6D1hrt5sZYp-T6aw9ErM&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D0c5jAAC76W0&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jeo4KkyAYYhAHRn-Vp6oXlr5fUwyCcNzGJqViPZLHGU&s=ISONtBPxe9P58_8tSSMy0zQgwfoRH5cZE5qO3GWSLS0&e=> > > > anjan > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 5:17 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx > <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > Hi ToK System-into-UTOKers 😊, > > As I mentioned previously, Alexander Bard and I are going to > be exchanging ideas about our “systems” of thought. He posed > this question for a prompt to reflect on: > > “The question to ask ourselves is why systems are so important > to begin with. In other words: Without systems, there can be > no sense-making to begin with, only fluffy and trendy opinions > all over again.” > > This was my reply: > > Re the “system” question, my quick answer is that our shared > systems of thought (i.e., the justification systems that > coordinate us on the Person-Culture plane of existence) are > central to our ontology. They propositionally frame what is > and ought to be, and the process by which we intersubjectively > negotiate that with each other. Crucially, we need to > understand that they are not EVERYTHING. This is the foolish > extreme of the Sapir-Whorf or twisted Derrida followers who > would say the language systems simply are what is. Of course, > that is not true. Propositional claims about reality are > obviously not synonymous reality per se. But they are key. > > And because we do and should have values, we can and do say > that some systems are better than others. In terms of how we > go about determining the justifiability of knowledge systems, > here is a blog that offers a quick review of seven such frames > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202009_seven-2Dapproaches-2Dfinding-2Dthe-2Dtruth&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jeo4KkyAYYhAHRn-Vp6oXlr5fUwyCcNzGJqViPZLHGU&s=wjqqyxuz3fQjWw5WD7ZxkOifgpBmbunLBexOIO7zo0c&e=>. > > My basic system is positioned as critique of modernist > Enlightenment Philosophy/Science on its own terms of logic, > rationality, empiricism, coherence and utility in fostering > human progress. The Enlightenment embarked on the development > of a rationalist philosophy that would include both a > scientific understanding of the world and the promotion of > human value. It succeed in some ways. On its own terms, the > STEM world is an advance of human knowledge. However, STEM > systematically breaks down at psychology. This is because of > the first major Enlightenment problem of knowledge, which is > getting the proper conceptual relationship between matter and > mind. Or, put differently, there was no coherent scientific > worldview that effectively placed the matter in motion > mechanics of physics with human consciousness. Hence, the > infamous and omnipresent “mind-body problem” that comes along > with the Western Enlightenment science-philosophy. > > It also fails as a system to clearly frame the relationship > between social and scientific onto-epistemologies. This is why > the postmodern critique of modernism emerges and sticks. That > is why I now often refer to Modernist Empirical Natural > Science as */_MENSknowledge. > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202007_theory-2Dmens-2Dknowledge&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=jeo4KkyAYYhAHRn-Vp6oXlr5fUwyCcNzGJqViPZLHGU&s=5SMT6OJ-xNVGx4lmwnWAOIi53UDkTlz4InjyUDwxrp8&e=>_/* > The intentional acronym highlights failed completely in its > reflective capacities in how it feeds back on society and the > complex iterative relations between knowledge and power, ala > Foucault. In the 21^st Century, we need */Wisdom Oriented/* > Modern Empirical Naturalist Science…. > > The problem of psychology is at the center of all of this. > Defined in the academy as the science of behavior and mental > process, it is a shitshow when it comes to being a coherent > discipline. What it basically has become is a discipline that > employs scientific/empirical epistemology to questions of “the > mind”. But there is no coherent ontology of what people mean > by science OR mind OR behavior. This is precisely because of > the Enlightenment Gap, which fails on both the matter/mind and > social/science knowledge problem. > > Coherence in one’s knowledge system is valuable. Moreover, we > can see, in the mental health and meaning crises that are > rampant in our society, that there is massive pragmatic > implications for the failure of a coherent knowledge system > that includes both STEM and mental and meaningful ways of > being in the world. So, that is what I am after. 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