Wildfires in the area so haven’t responded timely. Appreciate the insight. Didn’t mean to “get into the weeds” but seeing as how you brought up Penrose’s Cosmology and quark-gluon plasma, I thought you were more open to discussing the physics.

I take slight issue with the idea it’s a language game. Unless our discussions are referring to real world phenomena, we’re just arguing everyone’s internal solipsism. If there was confusion on my part, it’s that the Problem of Psychology remains unresolved (Mind2 refers explicitly to subjective experience, doesn’t it?)

Out of all representations I’ve seen, the TOK is the closest to a complete theory. However, there remain unresolved problems. In the breakdown of mind, for example, you cite the formation of Mind 1a,1b, 2, 3a, 3b without distinguishing how the separation actually occurs. Simply labeling new categories with novel nomenclature is not explanatory. I mentioned this in an earlier thread responding to Deepak’s ALCCO. In fact, the distinction between Mind 1 and 2 is precisely the impasse explaining phenomenological experience, the Hard Problem.

While the TOK is a good road map, the fact that it cites phenomena like Quantum Gravity and abiogenesis without explaining them in the slightest appears presumptuous. These joint points represent the most consequential unanswered questions in all science, and until the theory can address them, it remains incomplete.

To Deepak,

Nice to hear from you. Appreciated the analogies, but I have several questions:

In the case of the unstretched rubber-band, is this analogous to the uniform CMB? Also, how does time preclude homogeneity? If the termination of internal properties eliminates the concept of homogeneity, it also eliminates the concept of inhomogeneity. We just can’t say anything about its internal structure, similar to the No-Hair Theorem in Black Hole Cosmology.

If the rope represents Gravity, I can see how it all culminates in Singularity. Let me know if this is an appropriate interpretation.

Sincerely,

Eric

On Thursday, October 29, 2020, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Eric,

  You raise lots of interesting questions here. I am not looking to “get into the weeds” on this topic in that I am too far removed to engage in meaningful discussions between experts. Rather,  I sit from a far, outside the specific expert language games, and offer comments from the vantage point of the Garden.

 

  My expertise is in psychology. And, yes, to respond to your other email, the Map of Mind1,2,3 is central to solving the problem. Please check out the Stoa session, so you can see why language and the Culture-Person plane of existence is a qualitative shift. Also, here is the page on the Problem of Psychology and Its Solution. And here is a video on why the Behavior, Mind, Mind, Mind problem can be solved. Also, be very aware that psychology does not mean “human subjective consciousness”, either in my system or in general academic settings.  

Best,
Gregg

 

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Hey Gregg,

 

First off, congrats to Nobel Laureate Roger Penrose. Glad to see his contributions recognized. It’s fascinating how similar Conformal Cyclic Cosmology is to the TOK (see attached).

 

Like you, I’ve found his descriptions of the universe much more intuitive than with others’. The conformal concept is the most parsimonious explanation cutrently available as it does not invoke unverifiable Inflation (Recent Bicep2/Planck Satellite data don’t show the polarized B-modes in the CMB suggested by Inflation, just the standard E-modes). Also, the idea allows the Universe to effectively “begin/end” through a similar rescaling process. However, there are points of contention.

 

https://physicsworld.com/a/new-evidence-for-cyclic-universe-claimed-by-roger-penrose-and-colleagues/

 

One major unresolved aspect is whether observed “rings” of uniform temperature in the CMB are evidence of CCC or just fanciful interpretation. The evidence of Hawking Points—previous aeon’s evaporating black holes—in the CMB is also contested. Based on my understanding, Penrose uses the standard mathematics to describe events “preceding” the Big Bang, and I’m not convinced that’s correct, as it ignores the breakdown on math at the Initial Singularity (similar to Inflation).

 

Though I agree with Penrose’s visualization (and Gregg’s as well), I don’t think it explains the rescaling process adequately. Invoking an end-stage time-like singularity is intuitively appealing, but unless we’re willing to admit Information is erased, CCC makes certain mathematical assumptions that may not be true, i.e. physics is complete.

 

With regards to the 2nd Law, I’m not sure how the Symmetry Breaking itself resolves the initial low entropy state. However, I believe the models we’ve found can account for it in terms of Absolute Potential, i.e. duality of absolute min/max entropy states. That a theory of consciousness might resolve questions in physics is still astounding to me. Curious what you think about Penrose’s Orch-OR. It seems to fall into the same category as Descartes’ pineal gland. What do you think?

 

Eric

 

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi TOK Folks,

 

  I have been trailing Roger Penrose’s work lately and found this 20 min description fascinating, because it captures my intuition about the nature of the universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypjZF6Pdrws

 

  My intuition has always been that the universe emerges out of an energy singularity from another dimension. For example, our universe is akin to a black hole in another universe on the “other side” of our singularity. When I learned of dark energy, I wondered if it might be a field around our universe that it is expanding into that will “circle back around” into a collapse back into a singularity. Here is Penrose giving a talk a couple of days ago that basically narrates this idea. That is cool. What he is missing from my theory is that it is “dark energy” that will “collect” the dispersed radiation and collapse it back into the singularity that starts the next phase in the universe anew.

 

  The idea is that once in a singularity state, a remarkable “stochastic event” happens, whereby the photonic-gluonic pure energy/radiation plasma encounters a symmetry breaking phase shift, which starts a chain reaction that turns energy into matter. (Note, the symmetry breaking has to do with spin and the fact that a substantial set of bosons (i.e., gluons and photons) are knocked into a different ½ spin vector which turns them into fermions with follow the Pauli Exclusion principle).  This, BTW, does account for Penrose’s concern about the homogeneity of the early universe and the problem he scratches his head over regarding the second law and the issue of entropy.

 

Best,
Gregg

 

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