I think you have to distinguish between science (exploration) and technology (creation) and what we choose to with it; philosophy (structured thinking) can help us here. / Lene On 17-12-2020 01:19, James Lyons-Weiler wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Great question. Fast-forward our civilization with technology by > 1,000 years - whatever that means for you. > > Since we will likely create things new to the universe with unknown > properties - including emergent properties - > the merger of "science and technology" will certainly be continued. > But science itself will continue forever because > we have already shown many times over that we are capable of creating > things and things that interact in ways that > are vastly beyond our immediate comprehension. The toxic soup we have > made of the biosphere is a great example. > > Hyper-intelligent AI aside, we will likely move increasingly toward > prediction science, less pattern detection and less > descriptive science, and getting down (and up) into mechanistic models > that are increasingly improved in their ability to > predict. > > However, my transcendental prediction model does not require a human > understanding -it dispenses with whether > we need to understand why it works. In fact, it can generate an > infinite number of prediction models that are equally accurate - > and if the data can predict accurately, they all will be accurate. > > I am convinced that our /understanding and comprehension/ will advance > exponentially when we move beyond the assumption that the > ability to discriminate A OR B is far less useful than understanding A > AND B. > > > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 6:49 PM Leland Beaumont <[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ToK Folk, > > Advocates of thinking scientifically > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Thinking-5FScientifically&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=HiEAuNqgcMMesGu5zeQnyfFgS3tNO-ZcCms6P4kghXw&e=> > are often admonished that science may be OK for scientists, but > has strict limits. This warning is often expressed by theists as > “science and religion do not overlap.” Dualists claim that the > mind is not formed of matter and energy but of something else. > Others claim that subjective experience, conscious experience, or > the complexities of society cannot be analyzed using scientific > thinking. Various social scientists may claim that their > disciplines lie outside of science. Would it be fair for me > suggest that proponents of the enlightenment gap claim that > thinking scientifically cannot solve world problems? > > I propose that those who make such claims bear the burden of > proving those claims. Specifically, those who claim specific > limits on the realm of thinking scientifically must answer the > question: > > *How would science know when and where to stop being relevant?* > > Because I acknowledge that we continue to face grand challenges > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikiversity.org_wiki_Grand-5FChallenges&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=AUsHs_IGhGuNsV294SQv_jKgZ6hRk89vmZbgP2-PyzA&e=> > that persist and seem resistant to solutions, I am obligated to > offer an alternative hypothesis. I propose that science is working > its way up from physics through chemistry, geology, meteorology, > and biology into medicine, neuroscience, various branches of > psychology, sociology, economics, ethics, and eventually > government > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lelandbeaumont.medium.com_how-2Dare-2Dwe-2Ddoing-2Db89940268fec&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=cBqCx25LJREAj1gux_e7JrUBwyTL01AMKo7S4O8RL7I&e=>. > Prolonged searches for elan vital > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_-25C3-2589lan-5Fvital&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=IwD_-GrV19YzoaE8tk1KldlzEBG1ocEpxnOD1JOWYo8&e=>, > caloric > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Caloric-5Ftheory&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=Th3dGEC9zFbyiHn-bx_ivSfyMK6KQp9gDLxooBQq3ig&e=>, > luminiferous ether > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Luminiferous-5Faether&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=CXNcgHKNGdWRBF7bTCwcEG_VR-SUNzFQ5-UFeHkWuHs&e=>, > and phlogiston > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Phlogiston-5Ftheory&d=DwMFAg&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=74gLbhHWWpBB89jax-AjaHoGSIHQepgR6tYh9zeZxzE&s=kE0L6jNHNDevGWwh0wdfYRyY1RBUtCcsa7EC81kGjcA&e=> > have brought us to null results and new insights. 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