Which “gentleman” are you talking about,
Deepak? The interviewee Alva Noe?
If so, then we have found a strong point of
disagreement with your metaphysics and the ToK. The entire
point of the post was that the interviewer’s metaphysics were
fallacious.
Best,
Gregg
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Gregg,
Saw the video on your recommendation. Found the gentleman
incoherent & confused. He is elusive of a conflict in
his mind that to me is evident. He wants to believe that
there is something beyond the material/physical but knows it
isn't. Belief (a word he constantly uses for everything he
is describing) is an informational plane* which is
de-linked** from material existence. Knowledge is confined
on the contrary to linked informational plane (that which is
derived from material reality).
As it seems to me, the problem he seems to be stumbling on
is the difference between representation and reality.
Existence is constrained by our understanding of it. Which
means, everything we do not know***/understand^/perceive^^,
for us it really does not exist. Concomitantly, many wrongly
assume the reverse to be true, that is, everything we
know/understand/perceive exists. Latter is incorrect,
because all that exists in the de-linked informational
plane** is actually what can be termed as 'figment of our
imagination'.
A good example of aforementioned would be a photograph
& an abstract painting. Former is a representation,
latter imagination. Both exist. True. But former is
representational of reality, latter is a recombination of
pixels. How to physically differentiate the two has been
beautifully described by me in
Awareness & Consciousness. In case of
representation of reality (photograph) the change in the
pixels is gradual, while in delinked informational plane, it
is not bound by gradient. In other words imagine a camera
that clicks photos every femto-second. In case of a
photograph there is a limit to how much two consecutive
photographs (say, taken at femtosecond 1 and femtosecond 2)
can differ from each other (it is limited by the speed of
light), there is no such limitation for delinked
informational plane.
*Information is derived from
infonomy, which is nothing, but arrangement.
**in the current context delinked means infonomy that is not
a reflection of material reality, but arrived at through a
manipulation (may be, though not sure, 'informational
recombination').
***Sense
^Discover patterns/rules
^^Use memory and bio-computational number-crunching to
establish relationships and dependencies with existing
knowledge
Ty
DL (Deepak Loomba)
On 2/1/2021 12:08 AM, Henriques, Gregg
- henriqgx wrote:
Hi Peter,
Thanks for sharing. Part of the ToK-into-UTOK metapsychological project is getting clear on exactly how we can and should define psychology and the following five key terms: 1) behavior; 2) mind; 3) cognition; 4) consciousness and 5) self from a naturalistic, scientific framework. The argument is that the framework allows us to frame these concepts with coherence in a way that has previously eluded us. If you have questions about how this is accomplished, let me know. We could potentially set up a zoom dialogos and walk through it and you can see if it makes sense.
Best,
Gregg
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As always, Gregg, thank you for sharing such inspirations. Fun video and discussion here. I am interested in this from a philosophical point of view.
Robert Lawrence Kuhn plays his role well though I doubt he knows what role it is. I think Alva Noe does a great job but falls short of making his point, which Kuhn reveals by accusing him of trying to have it both ways. Noe is not trying to have it both ways.
For me the confusion here is naming mind, or consciousness as a thing. It is instead what our brains does,not what it is; it is an activity and not a thing. I think it is wrong to say we are conscious beings; we should say that we are are the activity of consciousness; consciousness is being. Mind seems like a clumsy means of trying to claim ownership of self by possessing the deed to our conscious activities. Let’s just drop “it" and be those activities.
The natural world is full of events that physics cannot contain or observe yet that does not make those things metaphysical or in conflict with the laws of physics. What is time? A thing, an event, a force, an effect…? We can witness durations, we can create fictional means of measurement, we can watch the sun move across our sky, wide can age, but can we witness time itself? Can anyone here show us what time looks like? Is it odorless? Is it big?
If we can give up notions of mind, of our consciousness being a thing, I think we can then have a better grasp on who we are. We are a lifelong nascent pursuit of ourselves.
Along with this we need to leave behind any discussion of being that does not include an environment, as Nicholas has also pointed out. No conscious event has ever taken place within the vacuum of a being without an environment. We are always being in situation and situation never exists without someone being. We are not simply organisms reacting to environments; we are the environment we are within.
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On Jan 29, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear TOK List,
Greg Thomas shared with me a WONDERFUL video that gets at the very heart of the whole ToK System into UTOK philosophy.
It is from the Closer to Truth Series, Alva Noe is interviewed about how to connect the concepts of a “person” with the “physical material universe”:
It is gold. I highly encourage everyone in the TOK Society should have a look. In 10 minutes, it gets at EXACTLY about what this whole project getting at analytically. Please take a look. I will elaborate more, but will give you a hint. The interviewer embodies the Enlightenment Gap problem. And Alva points in the right direction, but clearly is lacking the needed map to justify why he is so obviously correct. But because of the dominant matter in motion ideology, it is not blatantly apparent. This is what we must change to realize our potential as persons!
Thanks again to Greg for sharing this with me this morning. Made my day!
Best,
Gregg
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