Gregg,

Yes, the interviewee Alva Noe. While I do not remember what the 
interviewer said. My focus was on what the interviewee said, which made 
very little rationale.

Ty
DL


On 2/1/2021 5:14 PM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
>
> Which “gentleman” are you talking about, Deepak? The interviewee Alva Noe?
>
> If so, then we have found a strong point of disagreement with your 
> metaphysics and the ToK. The entire point of the post was that the 
> interviewer’s metaphysics were fallacious.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Gregg
>
> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion 
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> Gregg,
>
> Saw the video on your recommendation. Found the gentleman incoherent & 
> confused. He is elusive of a conflict in his mind that to me is 
> evident. He wants to believe that there is something beyond the 
> material/physical but knows it isn't. Belief (a word he constantly 
> uses for everything he is describing) is an informational plane* which 
> is de-linked** from material existence. Knowledge is confined on the 
> contrary to linked informational plane (that which is derived from 
> material reality).
>
> As it seems to me, the problem he seems to be stumbling on is the 
> difference between representation and reality.
>
> Existence is constrained by our understanding of it. Which means, 
> everything we do not know***/understand^/perceive^^, for us it really 
> does not exist. Concomitantly, many wrongly assume the reverse to be 
> true, that is, everything we know/understand/perceive exists. Latter 
> is incorrect, because all that exists in the de-linked informational 
> plane** is actually what can be termed as 'figment of our imagination'.
>
> A good example of aforementioned would be a photograph & an abstract 
> painting. Former is a representation, latter imagination. Both exist. 
> True. But former is representational of reality, latter is a 
> recombination of pixels. How to physically differentiate the two has 
> been beautifully described by me in Awareness & Consciousness 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.co.uk_Awareness-2DConsciousness-2DUpanishad-2DDeepak-2DLoomba-2Debook_dp_B07XQ3BMF1&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=tyA0CFGZrWF3XKUeB80j0SA9AXgMjyOR_PmaxMCZLnc&s=7aKG6Kx5sAFM_dtAKMM6TmXZBHNKeQ75q2PYOYXe7Bo&e=>. 
> In case of representation of reality (photograph) the change in the 
> pixels is gradual, while in delinked informational plane, it is not 
> bound by gradient. In other words imagine a camera that clicks photos 
> every femto-second. In case of a photograph there is a limit to how 
> much two consecutive photographs (say, taken at femtosecond 1 and 
> femtosecond 2) can differ from each other (it is limited by the speed 
> of light), there is no such limitation for delinked informational plane.
>
> *Information is derived from infonomy 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1EWLmmfW1UyYMcgPAqu5Gx-5FjY-5F-2D3O1I1yp6VH3SwBVb4_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=tyA0CFGZrWF3XKUeB80j0SA9AXgMjyOR_PmaxMCZLnc&s=oh5hlinkKqG0xn_nD25H8ze0uAz3y9vNTPTaqsEY7yc&e=>, 
> which is nothing, but arrangement.
> **in the current context delinked means infonomy that is not a 
> reflection of material reality, but arrived at through a manipulation 
> (may be, though not sure, 'informational recombination').
> ***Sense
> ^Discover patterns/rules
> ^^Use memory and bio-computational number-crunching to establish 
> relationships and dependencies with existing knowledge
>
> Ty
> DL (Deepak Loomba)
>
> On 2/1/2021 12:08 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote:
>
>     Hi Peter,
>
>       Thanks for sharing.  Part of the ToK-into-UTOK metapsychological
>     project is getting clear on exactly how we can and should define
>     psychology and the following five key terms:  1) behavior; 2)
>     mind; 3) cognition; 4) consciousness and 5) self from a
>     naturalistic, scientific framework. The argument is that the
>     framework allows us to frame these concepts with coherence in a
>     way that has previously eluded us. If you have questions about how
>     this is accomplished, let me know. We could potentially set up a
>     zoom dialogos and walk through it and you can see if it makes sense.
>
>     Best,
>     Gregg
>
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>     Jones
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>     As always, Gregg, thank you for sharing such inspirations. Fun
>     video and discussion here. I am interested in this from a
>     philosophical point of view.
>
>     Robert Lawrence Kuhn plays his role well though I doubt he knows
>     what role it is. I think Alva Noe does a great job but falls short
>     of making his point, which Kuhn reveals by accusing him of trying
>     to have it both ways. Noe is not trying to have it both ways.
>
>     For me the confusion here is naming mind, or consciousness as a
>     thing. It is instead what our brains does,not what it is; it is an
>     activity and not a thing. I think it is wrong to say we are
>     conscious beings; we should say that we are are the activity of
>     consciousness; consciousness is being. Mind seems like a clumsy
>     means of trying to claim ownership of self by possessing the deed
>     to our conscious activities. Let’s just drop “it" and be those
>     activities.
>
>     The natural world is full of events that physics cannot contain or
>     observe yet that does not make those things metaphysical or in
>     conflict with the laws of physics. What is time? A thing, an
>     event, a force, an effect…? We can witness durations, we can
>     create fictional means of measurement, we can watch the sun move
>     across our sky, wide can age, but can we witness time itself? Can
>     anyone here show us what time looks like? Is it odorless? Is it big?
>
>     If we can give up notions of mind, of our consciousness being a
>     thing, I think we can then have a better grasp on who we are. We
>     are a lifelong nascent pursuit of ourselves.
>
>     Along with this we need to leave behind any discussion of being
>     that does not include an environment, as Nicholas has also pointed
>     out. No conscious event has ever taken place within the vacuum of
>     a being without an environment. We are always being in situation
>     and situation never exists without someone being. We are not
>     simply organisms reacting to environments; we are the environment
>     we are within.
>
>     Peter
>
>     Peter Lloyd Jones
>     562-209-4080
>
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>
>
>         On Jan 29, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
>         <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>         Dear TOK List,
>
>           Greg Thomas shared with me a WONDERFUL video that gets at
>         the very heart of the whole ToK System into UTOK philosophy.
>
>         It is from the Closer to Truth Series, Alva Noe is interviewed
>         about how to connect the concepts of a “person” with the
>         “physical material universe”:
>
>         _https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_pK2FA7b7qRQ&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=IezeAEdDzDVhC9YKaKrQ0VLPChYKESnZgkHTgnL-mYI&s=F3B3DFmUXAJyywhEeNWqlWxZg-_8MVKOlP0RHsiayIA&e= 
>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_pK2FA7b7qRQ&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=2Wcx1NyCHOg7MnYpPJDspyiVJt4hplwq9ufxeQmyV3k&s=2Zlt-R0B4XU7tZxqAsD6TbGZgPhkXij7GDy34vBpzys&e=>_.
>
>         It is gold. I highly encourage everyone in the TOK Society
>         should have a look. In 10 minutes, it gets at EXACTLY about
>         what this whole project getting at analytically. Please take a
>         look. I will elaborate more, but will give you a hint. The
>         interviewer embodies the Enlightenment Gap problem. And Alva
>         points in the right direction, but clearly is lacking the
>         needed map to justify why he is so obviously correct. But
>         because of the dominant matter in motion ideology, it is not
>         blatantly apparent. This is what we must change to realize our
>         potential as persons!
>
>         Thanks again to Greg for sharing this with me this morning.
>         Made my day!
>
>         Best,
>         Gregg
>
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