Very interesting https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.quantamagazine.org_the-2Dbrain-2Drotates-2Dmemories-2Dto-2Dsave-2Dthem-2Dfrom-2Dnew-2Dsensations-2D20210415_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h74pX3wxpiU4hrmA-VKMT8vTdl5ucBFHgUQGH6mr2cA&s=1MT6Hln-f4Lndf_UaJ47JDgSWJygGTnxqVEAu9XR4KU&e= On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 12:24 PM Waldemar Schmidt <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Eric: > > I have been following the discussion between yourself and Gregg. > Indeed, it is fascinating to contrast the two views. > Your explanation in terms of physics, including theoretical physics, is > interesting. > > I wonder if you would add a description of how your Mosaic Model > influences our perceptions of The Human Condition. > By that I mean: what makes us, constitutes us, and influences our > thoughts, feeling, and behaviors as *Homo sapiens sapiens*. > > Granted, that requires delving into the philosophical and, in particular, > the theoretical and philosophical human psychology. > > I am interested in comparing your perceptions on these matters with those > of Gregg. > > Best regards, > > Waldemar > > *Waldemar A Schmidt, PhD, MD* > (Perseveret et Percipiunt) > 503.631.8044 > > *Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. (A Einstein)* > > On Apr 14, 2021, at 11:27 PM, easalien <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > Sorry Gregg, > > After looking through these materials, I remain thoroughly unconvinced. > Whatever skepticism I had beforehand may be more pronounced. There seems to > be an impasse in our methodologies: You treat mind as a concept, while I > treat it as real. > > Referencing E.F. Schumacher, your variables represent ontological > discontinuities. While I agree that distinctions exist between domains such > as biology, chemistry, history, etc., your solution is to posit > philosophical stopgaps. These joint points represent actual events, and > your tendency to address them in purely philosophical terms is not > explanatory. The hierarchical model is better represented diagrammatically > in Cahoone’s Order of Nature, if consciousness functions as inner > perception. > > Cahoone’s Model: > > <image_123986672.JPG> > > Mosaic Model: > > <IMG_0344.jpg> > > It appears the model I’ve discovered shares greater fidelity with > Cahoone’s than with your own. However, the true benefit of Mosaic are its > testable predictions: > > Hard Problem: The mind-body separation acts as an event horizon predicated > on Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking (Memory). Differences in subjective > experience arise as individual memories are compared to one another, i.e., > Relativity of Experience. By treating the Observer as central, the > observable radius of the universe should correspond to the radius of > non-rotating spherical black hole as observed in Schwarzschild-Hubble > Equivalence. > > Matter-Antimatter Distribution (Baryogenesis): If the cosmic horizon is > analogous to an event horizon, edge quantum fluctuations should assume the > form of Hawking Radiation, with leftover matter separating from its > antimatter counterpart due to Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking. It explains > the perfect black body spectrum of the CMB. > > Origin of Life (Homochirality): As a mechanism for consciousness, > Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking consistently generates novelty in broad > categories, e.g., Big Bang. In Biology, monomers in the form of amino acids > and nucleotides form the basic building blocks of life. However, nature > exhibits a broken symmetry favoring left-handed amino acids and > right-handed ribonucleic sugars. The Miller-Urey experiments generated the > organic monomers necessary for life, but their racemic distribution did not > explain how Homochirality developed. Research now indicates that > Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking is possible through superheating “shock” > processes, such as meteor impacts. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_225502642-5FChirality-5Fand-5Fthe-5FOrigin-5Fof-5FHomochirality&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h74pX3wxpiU4hrmA-VKMT8vTdl5ucBFHgUQGH6mr2cA&s=yHjf9QuoS0UV8nHMiZjAGcwDnq-EJ8YIb1U_nhH4Te4&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.researchgate.net_publication_225502642-5FChirality-5Fand-5Fthe-5FOrigin-5Fof-5FHomochirality&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=-5ug-XXPwGHQENW37uMNph5iYdJc7obdHY0db8PQW68&e=> > > Quantum Gravity: QM and GR cannot be mathematically reconciled due to > singularity, representing Absolute Potential (Graviton). However, by > treating Gravity as a preserved symmetry, we no longer have to reconcile > them. Manifests as broken symmetries in QM. > > Dark Matter: As a corollary of a requisite condition in Penrose’s > Singularity Theorem—local interactions be non-negative—nonlocal > interactions can be negative (gravitational). Potential as source of > “extra” gravity. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nature.com_articles_ncomms7665&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h74pX3wxpiU4hrmA-VKMT8vTdl5ucBFHgUQGH6mr2cA&s=zrYw9E_nkAtNtKH4OH5dXWYh0Yay7TO2q5LaIudICnQ&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nature.com_articles_ncomms7665&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=mcgGlHKqlcz5No-zSObZNF7660zGA0M4DvaNl8095-Q&e=> > > Dark Energy: Unlike ordinary matter, Potential doesn’t dilute as volume > increases. The Casimir Effect demonstrates the outward pressure of > collapsing Potential in the vacuum, as weakness of Dark Energy correlates > to weakness of Gravity (Hierarchy Problems). Manifests as Cosmological > Constant. > > Strong CP Problem: In experiments, Charge-Parity Symmetry is maintained in > Strong Force interactions even though they should break. According to the > Mosaic, the Strong Force exhibits the greatest symmetry with the exception > of Gravity. Conversely, the Weak Force manifests asymmetrically, a > discovery that earned Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen-Ning Yang—with assistance from > Chien-Shiung Wu—the 1957 Nobel Prize. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 3:49 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> >> >> You say you don’t mean to come across as contrarian and yet you >> consistently do. You might reflect some on that. >> >> >> >> To address your two questions, first I suggest you look through the >> attached book, *A Guide for the Perplexed >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_A-5FGuide-5Ffor-5Fthe-5FPerplexed&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=vzH9NDc8AU3cC53NDuHfUKIWoK6oKxwHEsTvhF0AKZc&e=>*. >> It is designed to be an easy read. Check out pages 15-27 and you will see >> one source for the A + B + C + D analysis. >> >> Here is the particularly relevant portion: >> >> <image011.png> >> >> It also can be connected to Wilber’s Great Nest of Being, as he >> elaborated in The Marriage of Sense and Soul. And other places. Like >> Aristotle’s scales of nature >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Great-5Fchain-5Fof-5Fbeing&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=ilRkm_JD05grmbyNxtenmjcXulShm5lc-M9_7s-Kjlg&e=>. >> If you want a more up-to-date analysis of these scales/level/layers/orders, >> see Cahoone’s The Orders of Nature >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Orders-2DNature-2DLawrence-2DCahoone_dp_1438444168&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=EVOoZurSxNPwbsJZpMpbcvsg8yVLnTtcNkEeMNVqUdY&e=> >> (I have the pdf I can share). The argument that Matter, Life, Mind, and >> Culture emerge out of an implicate order of “pure” Energy-Information which >> represent distinguishable variable clusters and this is mapped by >> scientific knowledge is central to the entire UTOK project. See, e.g., the >> original ToK Manifesto I wrote more than 20 years ago >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_unified-2Dtheory-2Dof-2Dknowledge_the-2Dtree-2Dof-2Dknowledge-2Dsystem-2Dmanifesto-2Ddc29b7edab4b&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=oZ7E5ONKsCgVd3RoXhGGBOmyjV4m_eC0cKppCcXsOb8&e=>. >> >> >> >> >> As for my argument about mind and the need for an up-to-date descriptive >> metaphysics that maps it into the five domains depicted by the Map of Mind, >> I strongly recommend you watch my two educational videos on the *Problem >> of Psychology and Its Solution*. >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_1Jn1l5-2D-2Dy9MrkphbRLirXgAbYCNwj5uEI_view-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h74pX3wxpiU4hrmA-VKMT8vTdl5ucBFHgUQGH6mr2cA&s=LGE_orFkMrL-cd6aRlUHFk2uzCYGM9HapVZKvRs0wxU&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_1Jn1l5-2D-2Dy9MrkphbRLirXgAbYCNwj5uEI_view-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=BEGKmSWuhhWTosWHRTvAAI-2RDKQcXamhLZ2_4o0-0E&e=> >> (Part I) >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_1NPbgaR1rsnAxWdkTV4idNTv0qtx6ty7H_view-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h74pX3wxpiU4hrmA-VKMT8vTdl5ucBFHgUQGH6mr2cA&s=ILmoH9qTvYbUPe-snGNY1pQtVI6butkxkGlIK6nDtIk&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_1NPbgaR1rsnAxWdkTV4idNTv0qtx6ty7H_view-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=pRgbx7MtO5sfJvtClTwC2E6oz7Mqf2_mkspgfERefD4&e=> >> (Part II) >> >> >> >> I also recommend you watch the series I did with John Vervaeke on Untangling >> the World Knot of Consciousness >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202012_untangling-2Dthe-2Dworld-2Dknot-2Dconsciousness&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=7WLsXmDpS5dF6IAbAJSr4tIE2vQEGBE9WI5ajjcP77o&e=>. >> The last four episodes spell out precisely this argument, building off >> of John’s 4P/3R metatheory of cognition >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_202101_john-2Dvervaeke-2Ds-2Dbrilliant-2D4p3r-2Dmetatheory-2Dcognition&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fmAsjGE4w_Hp-he_ONUwVKVPwOpeiZwXvNZ2y5K6asc&s=HwiO_AIO-jPeygxa5EQJe9runbxov1hjjTbxS53wTu0&e=>. >> >> >> >> >> I know it will take some time, but if you really want your presence on >> the list to have a different feel to it, I encourage you to make the effort. >> >> >> Regards, >> Gregg >> >> >> >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *easalien >> *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2021 8:20 PM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: TOK: Clip from my talk with John >> >> >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> >> Hey Gregg, >> >> >> >> Can you explain what Z + A + B + C + D + X actually means? Do these >> variables correspond to reality? >> >> >> >> I don’t ask these questions to be contrarian. It just seems your making >> enormous assumptions based on scant evidence. For example, how do you >> justify splitting the mind into 3 (or 5) separate parts? >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:18 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Many thanks, friend. I am glad you like it. I found your description >> enriching. >> >> >> >> I am definitely keen on the idea that I fell into the problem of >> psychology precisely because there was a massive hole in our naturalistic >> thinking, which can be specified by the Enlightenment Gap. It is obvious >> that the Enlightenment failed to give us a coherent naturalistic scientific >> philosophy that was aligned with human subjectivity and purpose (i.e., the >> human self, soul, spirit). That was because they had the wrong ontological >> picture. The right ontological picture is pretty clear to me these days. >> Let me lay it out for you. I know, Chance, you know much of this already. >> But what follows is a slightly new, simplified version that you might find >> worth reading through. >> >> >> >> First, there is an “Energy-Information Implicate Order” that Matter >> emerges out of. It does not have the same kind of space-time causal >> properties as macroscopic matter. Let’s call this “Z”. At the Big >> Beginning/Big Bang, we see that Energy-Information Singularity transforms >> and differentiates and this is the beginning of the classic material world. >> Here >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dqq3YDfui-2DtI&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=gxXSO6A79Z_BVV4glb5ybXMg022tHHohr_wqIzvZdFI&s=wYY_m39VX2-T2zJzD7ACOBnlAvRUPpRfG6XJfkf5ai8&e=> >> is a nice easy to follow 15 minute video on the first three minutes. This >> change reaction gives rise to the first dimension of complexification on >> the ToK, represented as “Matter”. >> >> >> >> We can call Matter “dimension A”. The macroscopic “explicate order” >> arises out of the Energy-Information implicate order. How this happens can >> be framed as the “reality-measurement-emergent” questions/problems that >> makes interpreting quantum mechanics so difficult. The intersection of the >> Energy-Information and the Matter dimension is nevertheless clearly framed >> by quantum mechanics and general relativity. The foundation is quantum >> relativistic field theory, which shows that we can think of material >> particles and forces as emerging out of fluctuations in the >> Energy-Information field. The cohering of particles and forces give rise to >> macroscopic objects with entangled histories. This is the atomic universe >> and above at the macroscopic scale. The emergent phenomena include things >> like atoms and chemical molecules, and stars and galaxies and, of course, >> space and time as we experience them (in contrast to their “shape” at the >> implicate order). So now we have *Z* + A. The physical sciences map *Z* >> + *A*. >> >> >> >> We then get Life. Life is a fundamentally different kind of emergence >> because it involves the “epistemic” process of knowing. By knowing I mean >> that cells process information and communicate in networks to generate a >> novel complex adaptive plane. The biological forms and processes represent >> a different kind of causal process. That is why there is a shape-break on >> the ToK. The new Life cone is the new living epistemic process involves the >> way living things “know” about the external reality. We can call Life >> “dimension B”. So now we have *Z* + A + *B*, with B mapped by biological >> sciences >> >> >> >> We then, of course, have Mind, which we can call “dimension C”. Once >> again, we have a fundamentally different kind of “epistemic” process. This >> time, via animal sensory-movement relations that give rise to the animal >> behavioral dimension of activity, which the ToK innovatively characterizes >> as “Mind”. Way too much conceptual grammar is devoted to “the mind” and way >> to little is devoted to seeing Mind in nature. As someone who is deeply >> knowledgeable about ethology, I know you get this. But I am just spelling >> it out. Of course, this evolutionary model allows us to clearly frame >> neurocognition into subjective conscious experience in animals. Behavioral >> Investment Theory gives the metatheory. The Map of Mind1,2,3 gives the >> metaphysics, framing Mind1 as neurocognition and Mind2 as subjective >> conscious experience. Now we have* Z* + A +* B* + *C*. C should have >> been mapped by the basic psychological sciences, but the problem of >> psychology emerged because the Enlightenment gave us the wrong grammar to >> talk about “the mind”. >> >> >> >> Finally, we get the talking mind of human persons, Mind3 and the Culture >> that Mind3 produces. The Culture-Person plane is “dimension D”. The network >> of evolving systems of justification that function to coordinate people in >> socio-ecological arrangements through time. It is the clear way the ToK >> carves nature at the * B* to *C* and then *C* to *D* “joint points” that >> it affords us a new and proper way to think about the animal-mind, >> culture-person relationship. So now we have *Z* + *A* + *B* + * C* + *D*. >> >> >> >> Then we get the evolution of analytic justification into transcendent >> knowing. This is the process of: (1) knowing about knowledge; (2)knowing >> about reality and (3) knowing about the knower. Knowing about knowledge in >> the West starts with the Greek and the Pythagoreans into Socrates into >> Plato and Aristotle. They give us the birth of philosophical reflections >> that attempt to climb out of the socially constructed “cave” and see the >> forms of the world as they are. Then we get knowing about reality via >> modern empirical natural science, which gives us the correspondent approach >> grounded in math and method. >> >> >> >> Then we get knowing about the knower via UTOK. Let’s call this *X*. >> >> >> >> So now we have *Z* + *A* + *B* + * C* + *D* + *X*. >> >> >> >> We can depict this on the scale of time by complexification as follows: >> >> >> >> <image001.png><image002.png><image003.png><image004.png><image005.png> >> <image006.png><image007.png><image008.png><image005.png><image009.png> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Z* = Energy-Information Implicate Order >> >> *A* = Material-Object Explicate Order of Complexity >> >> *B* = Living-Organism Order of Complexification >> >> *C *= Mental-Animal Order of Complexification >> >> *D* = Cultural-Person Order of Complexification >> >> *X* = Metaphysical Scientific Knower that Observes/Describes/Explains >> Behavior Change >> >> >> >> Contextualized in the Tree and the Garden, the iQuad formulation is about >> developing a logos approach to nonduality, such that it represents the case >> where observer equals observed. Thus, it is the special case where >> >> the onto-epistemology of ontic-epistemic relations of observer/observed >> nonduality can be represented as *X* = * Z* + *A* + * B* + *C* + *D. * >> >> >> >> This could be called “The Nondual Singularity Theory of Observer (Psyche) >> = Observed (Behavior)” or something like that… >> >> Big love, brother. >> Gregg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < >> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Chance McDermott >> *Sent:* Saturday, April 10, 2021 2:33 PM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: TOK: Clip from my talk with John >> >> >> >> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links >> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is >> safe. >> ------------------------------ >> >> Gregg, >> >> >> >> I resonate with the mission statement: *"We are seeking a coherent, >> naturalistic ontology that can revitalize the human soul and spirit in the >> 21st century"* >> >> >> >> It appears to me to be dense, precise, and uplifting. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> -Chance >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:04 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Hi TOK List, >> >> >> >> I am working with Christian Gross to set up the “UTOKing with Gregg >> Podcast”. We will be formally announcing it Monday, and the first episode >> will be released on Thursday. Apropos of Voices with Vervaeke (I was John’s >> first guest), John is the first guest. Given the discussions on the list, I >> thought I would share the two minute clip as a preview (thanks to Christian >> for finding and selecting this clip). >> >> >> >> Here it is: >> >> >> >> * UTOKing with John Vervaeke - Clip.mp4 >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_file_d_1kmAvCL4gVWCF75ooXrdMHSl4awuj2Zrw_view-3Fusp-3Ddrive-5Fweb&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=wjF8cZoiFchamTuxBdDEmw&m=AYFX0kB-9msai7Cux39UQ5sMlWA0a5jcO5wReMl34TA&s=AOMThfpnVBKU99d0Djl5uQKCCN80cV3jK1AaDX-LVgs&e=>* >> >> >> >> And this is the quote we are speaking about, which frames the clip and >> much of the discussion: >> >> >> >> <image010.png> >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Gregg >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the >> following link: >> http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the > following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1