From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Chance McDermott
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 2:36 PM
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Subject: Re: TOK Three Meanings of Consciousness

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Hi Nik,

 

OK, that is great that you are distinguishing between the map and the territory, my mistake.

 

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 6:11 AM Nicholas Lattanzio <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

These terms of experience, consciousness, awareness, etc, I feel are becoming a bit conflated too. Its very nuanced subject matter where we all seem to draw lines in the sand in different places and compare our way to others based on how we drew our lines. Of course true critique must come from within the camp itself.

 

I couldn't have said it better, myself.  That is one of the key ideas at Canonizer, and how to get around 'fake news' which everyone can claim of anything these days, from within their own camp.  What you need to do is be critical of a camp, from within that camp, using their terminology, their facts, there trusted experts.  If you are using THEIR trusted canonizer algorithm, and a particular fact has 90% consensus of their trusted experts, they can no longer claim it is 'fake news'.

 

Let me see if I can illustrate the issue I still have with what you are saying.  The point of the minimally conscious thermostat is to illustrate some things.  It only has two pixels of knowledge, each of which can have either a redness or greenness quality.  Such is not 'self-aware' since there is nothing representing knowledge of the self, being aware of the two pixels.  It is 'conscious' just not 'self Consonus'.  For every piece of information, we are aware of, that knowledge must be something.  And knowledge of anything else can be added, including knowledge of both the front and back of a face, and so on.  Data can describe all the text on a page, without any information about the page on which it may be written.  But information about the page, itself, and how much blank space it has, and so on, can be added to the text data.  We could engineer a system to have knowledge of someone else's consciousness (Either all or a part of it), without knowledge of themself bound into it.  Sometimes things like this occur when tripping with psychedelics.

 

Recursion is just a powerful way to describe certain kinds of information.  The same information can also be enumerated in a long table, without recursion.  But in ALL cases, if you know something, that knowledge must be something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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