Those who profit from our divide won't allow the continuum of humanity to see itself. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DMzGnX-2DMbYE4&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=AJSbea6GRmhMza_2Us_Cz_dPPLsitjCqgQJ6RJxTCwU&e= On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 8:42 AM Diop, Corinne - diopcj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Let's do it! > > Corinne > ------------------------------ > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Lene Rachel Andersen - > Nordic Bildung <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2021 8:37 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > It would be wonderful if we could change the culture and have a much > broader cultural spectrum regarding what it means to be a woman and to be a > man. That would be liberating to all of us. > > > / Lene > > > > On 21-05-2021 13:53, Diop, Corinne - diopcj wrote: > > > Here is more to consider: > > "Native Americans have often held intersex, androgynous people, feminine > males and masculine females in high respect. The most common term to > define such persons today is to refer to them as "two-spirit" people..." > > "Therefore, many Native American religions, rather than stigmatising such > persons, often looked to them as religious leaders and teachers. Quite > similar religious traditions existed among the native peoples of Siberia > and many parts of Central and southeast Asia. Since the ancestors of Native > Americans migrated from Siberia over 20,000 years ago, and since reports of > highly respected androgynous persons have been noted among indigenous > Americans from Alaska to Chile, androgyny seems to be quite ancient among > humans." > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_music_2010_oct_11_two-2Dspirit-2Dpeople-2Dnorth-2Damerica&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=csJD27OR_F-oLtHVFwsBYcJtRA1MXRlglP9FY0zcyOE&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_music_2010_oct_11_two-2Dspirit-2Dpeople-2Dnorth-2Damerica&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=7b-mDl9Zb2_EPT7AzdctQQ-pT9XRZboxXvSEa78rXyQ&e=> > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_music_2010_oct_11_two-2Dspirit-2Dpeople-2Dnorth-2Damerica&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=7b-mDl9Zb2_EPT7AzdctQQ-pT9XRZboxXvSEa78rXyQ&e=> > The 'two-spirit' people of indigenous North Americans | Antony and the > Johnsons | The Guardian > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_music_2010_oct_11_two-2Dspirit-2Dpeople-2Dnorth-2Damerica&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=7b-mDl9Zb2_EPT7AzdctQQ-pT9XRZboxXvSEa78rXyQ&e=> > The 'two-spirit' people of indigenous North Americans. This week's guest > editor, Antony Hegarty, is a fan of the book The Spirit and the Flesh. He > asked its author, Walter L Williams, to write a ... > www.theguardian.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.theguardian.com&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=dcRzCeKIeyeApMswPSNofbNzoobOljZj4l2RE5dv5jo&e=> > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Diop, Corinne - diopcj <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2021 7:35 AM > *To:* tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > What some people are saying is that we don't need to know how to "correct" > with hormones or surgery to become one or the other. This middle space can > be embraced, and perhaps we will be the better for it. > > A problem is this doesn't fit with our current religious or legal systems > and other power structures that are pretty much embedded everywhere. > > > Biologist Dr. Fausto-Sterling has interesting work on this: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pbs.org_wgbh_nova_article_fausto-2Dsterling_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=K91wIq0a2dmqhcr0ThgwEgn9w1XYPALsqh82CD3uOB0&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pbs.org_wgbh_nova_article_fausto-2Dsterling_&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=S0dpBCMmg_o-FYhqFGFAmkw5XykdVd1FtcNCppbvEdQ&e=> > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pbs.org_wgbh_nova_article_fausto-2Dsterling_&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=S0dpBCMmg_o-FYhqFGFAmkw5XykdVd1FtcNCppbvEdQ&e=> > Two Sexes Are Not Enough | NOVA | PBS > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pbs.org_wgbh_nova_article_fausto-2Dsterling_&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=S0dpBCMmg_o-FYhqFGFAmkw5XykdVd1FtcNCppbvEdQ&e=> > Two Sexes Are Not Enough. In this excerpt from her recent book Sexing the > Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality, Brown University > biologist and historian Anne Fausto-Sterling ... > www.pbs.org > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.pbs.org&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=Gc7HHh39wCO79lv1JmtXzzneXHxB4A6O3e_CFMO7YFI&e=> > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__crl.ucsd.edu_-7Eelman_Courses_HDP1_2000_LectureNotes_fausto-2Dsterling.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=4rzSf7jPylDCQcbqEYwGHKAiYa_jMJAUr1CE7i4Qj1k&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__crl.ucsd.edu_-7Eelman_Courses_HDP1_2000_LectureNotes_fausto-2Dsterling.pdf&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=QGgzvVkhrk-LwB1jp2reTHzAvae7W7Jh00zXR4IebCM&e=> > The Five Sexes - Center for Research in Language, UCSD > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__crl.ucsd.edu_-7Eelman_Courses_HDP1_2000_LectureNotes_fausto-2Dsterling.pdf&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=Zzu_8ikI9Xf3yD0ukUK0xdpdqicdZvg7bexIey54p5I&s=QGgzvVkhrk-LwB1jp2reTHzAvae7W7Jh00zXR4IebCM&e=> > 5: THE FIVE SEXES 69 the standard medical literature uses the term > intersex as a catch-all for three major subgroups with some mixture of male > and female characteristics: the > crl.ucsd.edu > > ------------------------------ > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> on > behalf of Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2021 5:03 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > That would be an excellent idea! > On 21-05-2021 10:58, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: > > Good to hear. > > > > As I wrote it, I realized it might be useful to do a blog on it. > > > Best, > G > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> *On > Behalf Of *Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung > *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2021 4:47 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Cool! Thank you for clarifying that. :-) > > / Lene > > On 21-05-2021 10:44, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: > > When my cultural anthropologist friend and I dove into this, we realized > that “binary” is not the right term. > > > > The sexes are bi-modal > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Multimodal-5Fdistribution&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=lh6iIaLji6xFqWEFIbAsCCiwdOtWwHe00Tgo6kgL7vA&s=qy7Yja1QURzX8h8w_OyNDB8YUocjSq0kAgA4aYyNerM&e=>. > This allows one to see clearly both that yes, there are two primary sexes > and yes they are biologically important and different attractor states. > However, sex is not exclusively binary in the sense of chess squares being > either white or black or a gun firing or not or a flip of a coin. Unlike > these single variable either/or examples, sex is made up of many different > components, such as genetics, hormones and anatomy. In theory, a single > ambiguous case could make an exclusive binary assertion “wrong”. Thus, > given that some times coin flips land in cracks, and thus don’t give a > clear answer are not binary without exception. I share this because we went > round and round on this a bit until I realized that I meant bimodal. Once > framed as such, he quickly agreed. > > > > Since everyone knows there are cases where sex is ambiguous, I don’t think > anyone thinks sex is binary in the strong sense. Yet, once you allow a bit > of grey, which bimodal does, then debates can be appropriately framed. > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> *On > Behalf Of *Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic Bildung > *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2021 11:59 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > If there is no binary with regards to sex, why do trans people need > hormones? > > > > And how does anybody know which hormones would be the right hormones? > > > > / Lene > > > > On 20-05-2021 22:39, Diop, Corinne - diopcj wrote: > > Yes! I am an artist not a scientist, but I thought in science if something > is disproved even once then it's out. > > > > So, the professor who keeps insisting on the absolute binary is probably > seen as unscientific and counter to progress being made (i.e., his > colleagues got tired of dealing with him). > > > > It's true that the vast majority of people are either XX or XY, and that > most people are perfectly happy to go along with the gender norms as > determined by society (especially if they are male or want to succeed in a > predominantly male system), but the fact that there is a statistically > significant quantity of outliers means the binary theory is: Wrong. > > > > It should give pause to wonder why this is increasing! But having this > diversity might be beneficial to humanity in the long run. > > > > Same with neurodiversity-- Elon Musk just came out as Asperger's... > > > > > > Corinne > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> on > behalf of Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. > <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:48 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Wow. > > > > " The international total prevalence (of hypospadias) increased 1.6 times > during the study period (1980-2010)" > > > > Hypospadias Prevalence and Trends in International Birth Defect > Surveillance Systems, 1980-2010 - PubMed > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_31300237_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=cG1cttiwLYODxDXPqJG5KIJCB8wvSFpOPpOKRFjMH_0&s=Naf7BMqGiw6kIccK4zWiRHFOIbx3PqZXu2-GVbJTrCw&e=> > > > > > > Hypospadias Prevalence and Trends in International Birth Defect Surveill... > > We report on the prevalence and trends of hypospadias among 27 birth > defect surveillance systems, which indicate... > > > > > > I would venture to agree that there appears to be endocrine disruption of > extraordinary magnitude occurring, which merits epidemiological study. > Every course of action which dismisses such a conclusion is clearly > ignorant. > > > > Thank you, Lene. Interesting discussion. > > > > > > Bradley > > > > > > > > Bradley H. Werrell, D.O. - This email is private and copyrighted by the > author. > > > > > > On Thursday, May 20, 2021, 06:11:02 AM MST, Lene Rachel Andersen - Nordic > Bildung <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > There is the possibility that the more birth control pills women consume, > the more estrogen will end up in nature and--hypothetically--more boys will > be born with hypospadias. The condition is becoming more frequent. > > Best, > > Lene > > On 20-05-2021 14:18, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: > > Thanks for this, Corinne. > > > > This discussion reminds me of a series of lectures that I co-presented > with a cultural anthropologist on the nature of sex and gender. He took the > position of significant sexual and gender fluidity. I granted that but > argued that one could clearly “overshoot” and that distinct biological sex > (i.e., male and female) is a foundation of primate biology (note, as this > article on fish clearly shows, sex in nature is far more complicated). The > class concluded with the idea that there is a clear bimodal distribution in > male and female primate body plan, but there are clearly many dimensions > and it was not a sharp dichotomy. Moreover, the social construction of sex > and gender in different societies has shown huge diversity. And even here > there is significant trends and patterns that have some “truths” that > transcend the “mere” social construction. What emerged were questions of > how to understand sex and construct gendered roles and identities that > fostered flexibility, honored our nature(s), and cultivated well-being. > > > Best, > > Gregg > > > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> *On > Behalf Of *Diop, Corinne - diopcj > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:44 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > While I support the professor’s right to say what he wants, it seems > standard to acknowledge that intersex is a real thing. In fact, depending > on what data is used it is statistically as prevalent as being a twin. > > > > There is an uptick in college-age students who identify as non-binary for > a variety of reasons including-- there is now the realization that > reactionary surgery to “fix” a baby isn’t a good idea; it is more socially > acceptable to embrace and identify as intersex; there are statistically > more intersex babies being born. > > > > Sex Redefined: The Idea of 2 Sexes Is Overly Simplistic - 2018 > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.scientificamerican.com_article_sex-2Dredefined-2Dthe-2Didea-2Dof-2D2-2Dsexes-2Dis-2Doverly-2Dsimplistic1_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=mGmYBC6E0zqdZyGqs--W-OrYg-5htc-hmeFfKm1n9Cc&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.scientificamerican.com_article_sex-2Dredefined-2Dthe-2Didea-2Dof-2D2-2Dsexes-2Dis-2Doverly-2Dsimplistic1_&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fMPlylSKxgSuo8NFGP6FKyylXNjO4KyTHt9sMDT9hGM&s=7BgeWhk4DKGftoTAXl1Jqa0toP4Zt02KDJ0of7i_VGw&e=> > > > > > HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH – 2017 > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hrw.org_report_2017_07_25_i-2Dwant-2Dbe-2Dnature-2Dmade-2Dme_medically-2Dunnecessary-2Dsurgeries-2Dintersex-2Dchildren-2Dus-23&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=o52FMAI0ZlT96ZMZ8wXTYkQfGrOKWETnS2OBTlp62hA&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hrw.org_report_2017_07_25_i-2Dwant-2Dbe-2Dnature-2Dmade-2Dme_medically-2Dunnecessary-2Dsurgeries-2Dintersex-2Dchildren-2Dus&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fMPlylSKxgSuo8NFGP6FKyylXNjO4KyTHt9sMDT9hGM&s=7G1Ju1CDGIZF21NU1MDRMgyE5QGvuPt4fy-oLJNe6Wc&e=> > > > > The Increasing Prevalence in Intersex Variation from Toxicological > Dysregulation in Fetal Reproductive Tissue Differentiation and Development > by Endocrine-Disrupting Chemicals - 2016 > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_pmc_articles_PMC5017538_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=PDAPOZkfmOgMwzNDRs2PC6zXELlKxuAMNFt6bP_sBME&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov_pmc_articles_PMC5017538_&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fMPlylSKxgSuo8NFGP6FKyylXNjO4KyTHt9sMDT9hGM&s=4qbs_PorM2216qB-f3EeHlFYTqqBDAMsyPM8Z9WKLwo&e=> > > > > > Are hasty operations on intersex children becoming a thing of the past? - > 2020 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_lifeandstyle_2020_jul_14_intersex-2Dchildren-2Dhasty-2Doperations&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=XUgIOVOG9QWNb74wLcYU8Bqv4f72jl2UWXqzNVZGFh8&s=eRg5243s-e7-R0Sho6CLvqaSuwZQxucJ3WAG2sLfpqA&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_lifeandstyle_2020_jul_14_intersex-2Dchildren-2Dhasty-2Doperations&d=DwMD-g&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=fMPlylSKxgSuo8NFGP6FKyylXNjO4KyTHt9sMDT9hGM&s=94Z-FjGI9eMcThoJTesyq0GFggysTjCZg72693BEZ-4&e=> > > > > > > > There is a movement to consider how language and labeling affect people, > so the concept of DSD is changing from Disorders in Sex Development to > *Differences* in Sex Development. > > > > > > I was super-busy during the week of Mother’s Day contributions so I hope > this will count! > > > > (I work full time and usually cook dinner, but that is another story about > assumed gender roles.) > > > > Corinne > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Michael Mascolo < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 18, 2021 12:57 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After > Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > Hi Nicholas and All: > > > > I want to respond to the Staddon issue, the likes of which seems to be > increasing over time. You will recall that Staddon was ousted from a list > serve for a posted entitled, "d "Hmm... Binary view of sex false? What is > the evidence? Is there a Z chromosome?” > > > > Nicholas had a lot of thoughtful and passionate responses to this issue. > I want to reply as best as I can. Nicholas writes: > > > > gender, on the other hand, is totally fluid, role depedent, and as such > resides well within the Person-Culutre plane, whereas sex is in the > Animal-Mind plane, that seems a fairly obvious distinction to me that no > one argues. > > > > The statement that “gender is totally fluid” is a strong one. But what > does it mean? And is it true? What evidence exists to support this > assertion? What would it mean to say that gender is “totally fluid”? > Well, here’s one version: It must mean that there are no constraints on > one’s gender identity, that it can change within individuals along a > dimension (or not) according to…well, what? Whim? Circumstance? If this is > so, then why do I experience my gender identity as stable? Why don’t I > change it? Doesn’t the stability of gender identity for man people suggest > that any strong notion that “gender is totally fluid” cannot be true? How > can something be totally fluid, yet stable for many many people? > > > > It would seem that this assertion must be modified somewhat. A more > reasonable statement might be that gender is fluid — but not totally fluid. > In making this seemingly minor adjustment, it becomes possible to see that > there is both stability and variation in gender identity — both within and > between people. And when we make that observation, we can begin to ask: > What accounts for the stability and variation? > > > > To address this question, we need a clear conception of what we mean by > gender, a clear conception of the nature of the constraints that govern > human development, and clear methods for assessing the sources of stability > and variability. In my view, the best contemporary models of human > development are epigenetic ones — these maintain that anatomical and > psychological structures emerge from the mutual influence of genes and > embedded environments. That is — that genes and environments are > inseparable as causal processes in development. They affect each other in > complex ways. > > > > Note how prevailing concepts of gender — the ones that suggest that gender > and sex are separate and independent processes — goes against the core of > the epigenetic approach. If it is true that anatomical and psychological > structures emerge through the mutual influence of genes and environments, > then there is not psychological process that is not a product of relations > between genes and environment. If this is so, it is simply incoherent to > say that psychological or social gender is independent of biology or sex. > > > > But this is what is often asserted — that gender is “socially constructed” > and sex is “biological”. One doesn’t have to go very far to gain prima > facie evidence that sex and gender are not independent — and thus that > “gender” is not simply unconstrained and “totally” fluid. That evidence is > in the transgender experience itself. When very young children — 3 > year-olds — begin to reject their assigned gender (mostly biological males, > as I understand it), they do so very much against the social grain. > Against all social experience, they claim an opposing gender. How could > this be possible if gender were unconstrained, "totally fluid”, or > independent of biology or biological sex? The very phenomenon of > early-onset transgender experiences suggests that such experiences are not > simply “socially constructed” (that terms remains undefined in most popular > accounts). The idea that a young child may experience the self in terms of > a gender that is opposed to the assigned one even suggests that there is > something constrained and biologically canalized about *the experience > and meaning of gender itself — *otherwise, how could we even begin to > explain such processes? > > > > The moment one begins to look at the arguments and data on issues of > gender from outside of an ideological perspective, one cannot help but see > deep contradictions. The idea that gender is socially constructed or > totally fluid contradicts the early onset of stable transgender > experiences. We are told that gender is socially constructed, but that > people are able to choose their own gender. That is a contradiction. We > are told that gender is independent of sex, when modern epigenetic theory > suggests that biology and environment are never independent processes — > that is a contradiction. We are told that gender and sex are distinct and > independent, yet our very concepts of masculine and feminine have their > social and historical origins in biological distinctions and dispositions. > The literature that suggests that biological differences between XX and XY > individuals bias psychological development to move along different pathways > is overwhelming — as is the evidence attesting to the importance of the > socio-cultural systems (within which biological processes function) in the > development of gender-related processes. > > > > The issue is more complex than any simple set of distinctions is going to > suggest to us. We should resist reductive explanations — whether they > reduce complex behavior downward to biology or upward to culture. > > > > My Best, > > > > Mike > > > > > > *Michael F. Mascolo, Ph.D.* > > Academic Director, Compass Program > Professor, Department of Psychology > Merrimack College, North Andover, MA 01845 > 978.837.3503 (office) > 978.979.8745 (cell) > > Bridging Political Divides Website: Creating Common Ground > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.creatingcommonground.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RMQT0ZMKX4K50YmAKWIQFSqIaVo1QC1SfTP-zWNxCMM&s=JboXmo_2hs999F31_R7UIWyWdSnenwHd4eGiaNxEd3k&e=> > Blog: Values Matter > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_values-2Dmatter&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RMQT0ZMKX4K50YmAKWIQFSqIaVo1QC1SfTP-zWNxCMM&s=hpDDPtVA3qQnOgKOTF8shAdAXzyNRlp0zvyHeTzh31E&e=> > Journal: Pedagogy and the Human Sciences > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__scholarworks.merrimack.edu_phs_&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RMQT0ZMKX4K50YmAKWIQFSqIaVo1QC1SfTP-zWNxCMM&s=vlq-bNOkK3yBgYGOFZSjjjzgprhHHKjROa1w8Sx3n5k&e=> > Author and Coaching Website: www.michaelmascolo.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.michaelmascolo.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RMQT0ZMKX4K50YmAKWIQFSqIaVo1QC1SfTP-zWNxCMM&s=JbEGQIsvfkKydozVqCMExhFJpn8LwTppvTBUbOSeNlU&e=> > Academia Home Page > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__merrimack.academia.edu_MichaelMascolo&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RMQT0ZMKX4K50YmAKWIQFSqIaVo1QC1SfTP-zWNxCMM&s=6TVZ9jKsQuD5tPRp3FKW5A_RAwZXLoJXke2HG4Qiyd8&e=> > Constructivist Meetup Series > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.constructivistmeetup.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=RMQT0ZMKX4K50YmAKWIQFSqIaVo1QC1SfTP-zWNxCMM&s=bQOAa_lzY42S054lFGkXDUZlHDVqZPWbKSncQKqC-eI&e=> > > Things move, persons act. -- Kenneth Burke > If it's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well. -- Donald Hebb > > > > On May 17, 2021, at 7:53 PM, Nicholas Lattanzio <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links > or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > ------------------------------ > > I mean, he had to be totally tone deaf to the current cultural climate to > try and use science to argue something as fluid as gender. This issue is > still too often conflated as to how many sexes and genders there are. Even > in what you shared above there are references to mainly biological sex, > which, scientifically speaking there are at least 4 or 5 of (even though > they are mainly genetic abnormalities they are still regarded as separate > sexes); gender, on the other hand, is totally fluid, role depedent, and as > such resides well within the Person-Culutre plane, whereas sex is in the > Animal-Mind plane, that seems a fairly obvious distinction to me that no > one argues. > > > > Let us also keep in mind that he was only removed from a listserv, not a > position, meaning that the consensus amongst his immediate peers was that > they did not want to hear him speak on these points in such a manner, which > he apparently had done one too many times. > > > > The way I see it, if someone wants to identify themselves as a male or a > female or nonbinary or fluid, it doesn't concern me (literally, it is not a > concern of mine to have). For all I care people can identify as (and I have > met and worked with many who do) wolves, vampires, elves, etc., I honestly > wouldn't take issue with people identifying as donut or a chair, why make > it a big deal? This is a discussion of gender, which needs to be firmly > disentangled from sex, as the two are really only related so closely > through history with gender emerging from the roles those of the male or > female sex were by and large stratified to in the same way that races and > ethnicities have been. Gender is so much more than that. If there is an > issue to be had here, it is with the reasoning through which one tends to > identify with particular genders or really the way they construct their > identity to begin with. For example, I cannot tell you how many patients I > have worked with who are so determined to have dissociative personality > disorder, but who clearly do not (and I mean clearly - quoting movies > verbatim). It is intensely frustrating to work with these individuals if I > am fixated on them coming off of their ludacris act, but when I started to > ask what must they think and feel about themselves to want to be so > severely mentally ill? And in that question lies functional and purposeful > answers about what I have called the Identity Crisis in today's world. > People are starved of identity, from which they have been misconstrued to > find meaning and purpose in some identity instead of learning to find their > identity and pull meaning and purpose from it. It is in this pursuit of > identity for the sake of identity that postmodern sensibilities find their > faults, and modernism is for sure to blame. > > > > I am not saying that gender identity is to the extreme of those feigning > multiple personalities, nor am I saying it is merely a manner in which they > can stand apart or find a group to connect to (though this is an integral > part of any role). What it is is people finding themselves in an ever > complexifying and diversifying cultural wasteland. To fight this is the > modernist's last ditch effort to maintain control over younger generations > that don't hold the same value to science as older ones, for brutishly > formed scientific enterprises exactly like this. > > > > I am a White male. That is a scientific fact with regard to my race and my > sex. There's no argument to be had there. > > > > I like to cook, I like to act, I love to play sports and video games, I > also do yoga classes (led by women and almost exclusively with women) 3-4 > times a week, yet I retain my roughly 90% heterosexuality. I could easily > choose to identify as non-binary or something else and I would pretty > easily be able to assume such a role because I am already playing it, that > I am playing it as a White male seems to be what makes the difference > (i.e., no one has trouble with me identifying as a male, but I guarantee > there would be aversion, even faintly, to my identification as something > not male); exactly what that difference is and why it is I'm not too sure, > but that it has to do with power, privilege, and ultimately Culture is > certain, and in that sense a bit sickening to think how deeply programmed > that root aspect of my place in the world as a social creature is. > > > > When Dr. Staddon learns how to be a social being then he can get off of > his self-mandated high horse and join the rest of us in this muck from > which meta-modernism arises and transcends both identity/culture and > animal/mind. If only it were so easy for all of us to be so sure of > ourselves, but then again being sure of oneself to such a degree has always > been the easy, unquestioning way of the living fool. The suffering and pain > of those skeptical transformations he refuses to acknowledge will only > leave himself behind in that regard. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Nicholas G. Lattanzio, Psy.D. > > > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 7:50 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > This is an interesting story. Although I don’t know John Staddon well, I > have had some correspondence with him. > > > > Best, > Gregg > > > > > > *From:* Ken Pope [mailto:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>] > *Sent:* May-15-21 7:51 AM > *Subject:* Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After Saying There > Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) > > > > *Newsweek* includes an article: "Neuroscience Professor Removed From APA > Discussion After Saying There Are Only Two Genders” by Julia Marnin. > > > > Here are some excerpts: > > > > [begin excerpts] > > > > A neuroscience professor was ousted from the American Psychological > Association's (APA) email discussion group by vote after suggesting that > there are only two genders as well as past concerns over his posts, the > College Fix reported Friday. > > > > Psychology and neuroscience professor John Staddon at Duke University was > removed from the APA's Society for Behavioral Neuroscience and Comparative > Psychology (SBNCP) Division 6 listserv and was notified via email by the > group's presidential trio who said use of the forum was a "privilege," in > the statements republished by the National Association of Scholars (NAS) on > April 30. > > > > "It is sad that an audience of supposed scientists is unable to take any > dissenting view, such as the suggestion that there really are only two > sexes," Staddon said in reply to the notification of his removal from the > division's group before allowing NAS to publish the email exchange. > "Incredible! I don't mind having one less distraction, but I think you > should really be concerned at Div 6's unwillingness to tolerate divergent > views." > > > > His post that "tipped the scale," according to Staddon, was titled "Hmm... > Binary view of sex false? What is the evidence? Is there a Z chromosome?" > Staddon told *Newsweek* he created the post on April 15. > > > > "Science, real science, can and should be isolated from politics. Science > has values, to be sure—curiosity, honesty, openness to debate, adherence to > empirical facts, and so on—but they are not, and should not be, political," > he wrote to *Newsweek*. > > > > "Most of my comments have been devoted to that fact. I might add that a > sense of humor would help." > > > > Staddon said he received the email that declared his removal from the > division's group on April 23. It was written by Indiana University > Bloomington provost Jonathan Crystal, who is a professor of psychological > and brain sciences, on behalf of the division's presidential trio. > > > > "The division leadership has received complaints about some of the posts > that you have sent to the division listserv," Crystal wrote, who attached a > link to SBNCP's 2019 code of conduct in the email. > > > > "I do not want to get into the particulars of the range of complaints over > the years, but I will note that a number of members of the executive > committee and others have voiced concerns publicly on the listserv in an > attempt to make you aware of how readers of the list might view some of the > posts," Crystal added before writing that the executive committee voted to > remove Staddon's email address from the listserv. > > > > "I can find nothing that should be considered personally offensive," > Staddon said after perusing through old emails. > > > > *Newsweek* reached out to Crystal for comment, but did not hear back in > time for publication. > > > > "This incident just illustrates the current inability of some scientific > communities to tolerate dissent about issues related to sex and race. > Psychology and sociology seem to be especially flawed in this respect." > Staddon wrote in an email to the College Fix. > > > > <snip> > > > > On April 22, he wrote an article for *Psychology Today* that discussed > APA guidelines and criticized the organization for compromising "both > scientists and practitioners." > > > > "For the scientists, freedom of speech and inquiry are prerequisites. The > APA should certainly advocate for those and for the highest research > standards," he wrote in the article. > > > > NAS published the emails between Staddon and Crystal under "Cancel Culture > in the Sciences: A Case Study," as part of the organization's broader > effort "to counter cancel culture in higher education," according to the > editor's note. > > > > <snip> > > > > Staddon has done recent theoretical research on operant conditioning, > memory, timing and psychobiological aspects of ethical and economic > philosophy, according to his Duke University scholar page. > > > > He has authored six books and written more than 200 research papers. > > > > Newsweek also reached out to the APA for comment but did not hear back in > time for publication. > > > > [end excerpts] > > > > Ken Pope > > > > *Ken Pope, Melba J.T. Vasquez, Nayeli Y. 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