Thank you Adriana for sharing your personal experience of being a woman and having the female cycle. Part of the "shame" around menstruation comes from, I think, that it is totally beyond your control. We live in a civilization where we expect from each other and from ourselves that adults are their own masters, and menstruation (and pregnancy and birth) totally f*** that up in a way that we otherwise only allow disease to do. I think that embracing this "connection" to nature is a very useful process, but it does not solve all the practical problems of having a body that jumps out of modern life and back into the stone age a couple of days each month. Some mtf trans women seem to start identifying with having periods though they have male anatomy; how am I supposed to react to that? Does any surgery and hormonal treatment actually produce a bleeding uterus? / Lene On 25-05-2021 19:44, Adriana Forte Naili wrote: > *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wow, so much energy in this thread. > > There is so much alive in me as I read all of your contributions. I am > aware that I don’t have the time or capacity at the moment to go into > all that I’d love to explore but maybe there is an invitation here for > some deep exploration? Maybe one day…on zoom? > > I am currently finishing up an article that I wrote that partly > addresses some of the topics touched on here but from a different > angle and offering a potentially different perspective. > > One of the things that I could add here is that I see a lot of > confusion (in the world) in the desire to transcend something WITHOUT > fully including it. (I am here referring to the transcend and include > well described by Ken Wilber as a necessary part of evolution). Each > evolutionary stage transcends AND includes the previous stage and that > means that ALL previous stages are a necessary part of the “more > complex/more inclusive stage”. > > I am saying that because in the context of the female physiology, for > example. By wanting to go beyond the two sexes (which holds some > truth to it) WITHOUT having fully included what it ACTUALLY means to > be a full physiological female human is a bit complicated in my view. > I’ll try to explain without being too over simplistic but also trying > to keep it simple due to time constraints. > > A female human menstruates for about 40 years of her life. This is a > LOT. This doesn’t just means that she bleeds for about 4 days. What it > means is that there is an invitation for her to live life embodying > perspectives that are ONLY possible by being cyclical. > > For example: when I am pre-menstrual or menstrual the > pre-rational/magic (as per Gebser's work) is much more present in the > forefront of my awareness. I am in the magical quite easily during > those times which means a lot of things that need to be unpacked > carefully maybe another time > ( including more intuitive). But to the outside world, focused on > “doing” this phase of my cycle is seen as “inconvenient” and therefore > I was taught to suppress it from a very early age (which obviously > backfired) > > When I am closer to ovulation I am in the rational and this aspect of > myself is much more celebrated by culture so I practiced, my whole > life, being in the rational which (in reality) I am only truly in > during half of my cycle. So there is a gap between how I ACTUALLY am, > and how I have seen/felt myself to be. This is a massive blindspot I > feel on the level of society. > > What happens, and has happened (unfortunately) over the years is that > this feedback loop between culture and self and who I am and what I am > expected to be got really confused for many women (including myself > here!) and it takes some active and deliberate work (that can only be > done when you know to look for it) to INCLUDE what I (and many others) > had transcended WITHOUT including. This transcending without including > causes tremendous individual/collective and systemic pain not to say mess. > > If you look at the whole of the physiological rites of passages that > are exclusively female they are all in certain way either vilified or > feared/controlled by the mainstream culture (to our peril). > > It starts with girls feeling shame about their periods (which as you > would probably guess deeply impacts their self-esteem), then it > carries us into a way of giving birth that devalues a woman’s innate > bodily intelligence and power (I have to say here that I don’t believe > there is anyone to be blamed by this…it has been part of transcending > the body without fully including it) and then it ends with menopause > which again is super misunderstood by culture. > > Some curious facts for example are that in tribes where women are > celebrated as elders and their worth is not only linked to fertility > there is no word for hot flushes and the transition into the > “matriarch” of the tribe is a beautiful and celebrated one (I’m sure > there are counter points to this but I feel there is also some deep > wisdom). > > So what I am saying is that I understand the desire to be more nuanced > in the way we explain and think about sex and gender. I was even > actively researching the growing up of sex and gender from a > Developmental perspective supervised by Terri O’fallon (but I stopped > this now for many reasons). > > However without having women of future generations fully embrace what > it even means to see reality from a female body (the hormones are the > concrete expressions of much subtler energies that permeate the way a > women experiences life/reality) I feel we are all missing a BIG piece > in this co-creative dance between the masculine and feminine > energies…so big part of my work in the world now is to, gently and > slowly, start supporting the inclusion of that before it is fully > transcended. (Which we all know what is not embraced or integrated can > cause havoc in the form of shadow…) > > I hope this makes sense. It is a very big topic so I already apologise > if I offend anyone here with what I share. I’d love to explore more of > this collectively. > > Warmly, > > Adriana > >> On 24 May 2021, at 06:18, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx >> <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >> >> Lene, >> In some of my circles “lady” has become associated with “old school” >> and maybe even sexist thinking. For example, at my Mom’s 80^th b-day >> I heard some of the granddaughters noting that my mother used “lady” >> and “ladies” and they said it sounded very “old fashioned and >> traditional” and they would not refer to themselves as “ladies”. >> Best, >> G >> *From:*tree of knowledge system discussion >> <[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>*On Behalf Of*Lene Rachel >> Andersen - Nordic Bildung >> *Sent:*Monday, May 24, 2021 12:06 AM >> *To:*[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Subject:*Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion After >> Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) >> *CAUTION:*This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> How about reserving female and woman and male and man for the >> biological adult females and males respectively, and then use the >> terms lady and gentleman for the cultural female and male? >> >> Then it would actually make sense to talk about a lady dick. >> >> / L >> >> On 23-05-2021 13:48, Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx wrote: >> >> Thanks for your reflections, Cory. I am in large agreement. >> One thing I would like to comment on and add regarding this issue >> is that we can use the ToK map of reality and science to show >> that just thinking in terms of “biological” and “social” sides of >> the equation is insufficient. The reason is that it overlooks >> mental evolution and the behavioral inclinations we have as >> primates. This is the psychological or mental behavioral level of >> analysis. >> This comes into high relief when we look at the masculine and >> feminine primate relational styles through lens of the Influence >> Matrix, as I point out in this blog: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201907_simple-2Dway-2Dunderstand-2Dthe-2Dorigin-2Dgender-2Droles&d=DwIDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=llmh7o40yROfKp8TN1CV-fLQuu0GA9gCHcHzSf2kGDM&s=Pxn2FRkgVholLEpn1fduaK053gc5t3xhgOYk4ysEFsk&e= >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201907_simple-2Dway-2Dunderstand-2Dthe-2Dorigin-2Dgender-2Droles&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=M50kmFrkh9TRFt0wrfUxwp_24-N8-YR6wvLugfBsTbg&s=byaoG4BiTDHkguY_JWcsB1aZJpGbwPlUwFqXThNOhOE&e=> >> It also speaks to Mike’s well argued points. >> Best, >> Gregg >> *From:*tree of knowledge system >> discussion<[log in to unmask]> >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>*On Behalf Of*Cory David >> Barker >> *Sent:*Sunday, May 23, 2021 2:47 AM >> *To:*[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> *Subject:*Re: TOK Psychology Prof Removed From APA Discussion >> After Saying There Are Only 2 Genders (*Newsweek*) >> *CAUTION:*This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and >> know the content is safe. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Hi all, >> See the below article and paper. I just remembered this from way >> back, and the article was still available online (to my >> surprise). This sort of neuroscience explains a lot. >> Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex >>> >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.newscientist.com_article_dn14146-2Dgay-2Dbrains-2Dstructured-2Dlike-2Dthose-2Dof-2Dthe-2Dopposite-2Dsex_-23ixzz6vfTFoIHu&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CG1KWhb4QO3gl1ZDrSE9wEXuzvPdry1ZzHs4yT-R__U&s=PXQub7k2o4CnC4N_LBT9l132XXjj6fuC6EbcwOsNRg0&e=> >> Savic, I., & Lindström, P. (2008). PET and MRI show differences >> in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between >> homo-and heterosexual subjects >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pnas.org_content_105_27_9403&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=CG1KWhb4QO3gl1ZDrSE9wEXuzvPdry1ZzHs4yT-R__U&s=6TKk1JnOb9qYSpexNijLyRmVC_3OAgD39umz0DKdNYQ&e=>. Proceedings >> of the National Academy of Sciences, 105(27), 9403-9408. >> C. >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write >> to:mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]>or >> click the following >> link:http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write >> to:mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]>or >> click the following >> link:http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> >> >> -- >> >> *Lene Rachel Andersen* >> Futurist, economist, author & keynote speaker >> President of Nordic Bildung and co-founder of the European Bildung >> Network >> Full member of the Club of Rome >> *Nordic Bildung* >> Vermlandsgade 51, 2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark >> www.nordicbildung.org >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nordicbildung.org&d=DwMDaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=M50kmFrkh9TRFt0wrfUxwp_24-N8-YR6wvLugfBsTbg&s=39e87Cc8q5AF_ChGyjqeWz3FNOBql6XHblnfidTbzb4&e=> >> +45 28 96 42 40 >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write >> to:mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]>or >> click the following >> link:http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write >> to:mailto:[log in to unmask] >> <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]>or >> click the following >> link:http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 >> <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> >> > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > <mailto:mailto:[log in to unmask]> or > click the following link: > http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1 > <http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1> > -- *Lene Rachel Andersen* Futurist, economist, author & keynote speaker President of Nordic Bildung and co-founder of the European Bildung Network Full member of the Club of Rome *Nordic Bildung* Vermlandsgade 51, 2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark www.nordicbildung.org +45 28 96 42 40 ############################ To unsubscribe from the TOK-SOCIETY-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: http://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TOK-SOCIETY-L&A=1